Anyone Here Believe In Annihilation Of The Wicked?

[Scott Hutchinson]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

Conditional Immortality gives another false hope outside of applying the blood.

The teaching of Annihilation Of The Wicked teaches the Wicked are physically consumed in Hellfire.

My bad I thought they were one and the same.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by crakjak

After whatever is a "just recompense of reward" the "fire" will burn everything that is unlike God, after this punishment of the wicked, the wicked will then willing accept and glorify God. This will finally bring about the ultimate purpose for Jesus' death, all will then be reconciled to God and to each other.

Surely, God will not fail in all He purposed to do, "seek and save the lost". Neither the so called "freewill of man" nor the wimpy efforts of Satan will defeat the purpose of the Almighty.

"Many are the plans of man, but it is the purpose of God that shall prevail", The Psalms.

This is also known as Universal Reconciliation, and is not the same as Annihilation of the wicked.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

This is also known as Universal Reconciliation, and is not the same as Annihilation of the wicked.

Exactly! If the vast majority of God's creation is consumed or are eternally in "endless torture", it would be as if God's purpose has failed and Satan's purpose has succeeded. If a doctrine is inconsistent with the essense of God, then it cannot be true.

I believe more folks reject entering into the life available by Jesus' righteous act, because of the traditional teaching of God as a retributivist, than any other single thing. You may fear, live in awe of, and even try to obey, but hardly love such a god.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Exactly! If the vast majority of God's creation is consumed or are eternally in "endless torture", it would be as if God's purpose has failed and Satan's purpose has succeeded. If a doctrine is inconsistent with the essense of God, then it cannot be true.

I believe more folks reject entering into the life available by Jesus' righteous act, because of the traditional teaching of God as a retributivist, than any other single thing. You may fear, live in awe of, and even try to obey, but hardly love such a god.

You could not be more wrong. After this mere 6ooo years or so is done and all the wicked are destroyed millions of years will roll on and all people who are born from that time on will be righteous.

Looking BACK from that eternal age to our little sliver of time will show the huge huge majority of the creation of YHWH being faithful and not sinners.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

You could not be more wrong. After this mere 6ooo years or so is done and all the wicked are destroyed millions of years will roll on and all people who are born from that time on will be righteous.

Looking BACK from that eternal age to our little sliver of time will show the huge huge majority of the creation of YHWH being faithful and not sinners.

Doesn't it make more sense that God will defeat Satan by "burning" up all the chaff and dross (sin), rather than burning up souls created by Himself? Will He not defeat His enemies by treating them same way He tells us to treat our enemies? By loving them and turning the into friends, by forgiving them as He told us to forgive even to "7X70" in one day? If a doctrine is in opposition to the essence of God it is necessarily false.

LOVE NEVER FAILS! Of course the traditional view and also annihilation teach that God's love, "the perfect" love, in fact DOES FAIL! And what is stronger than the perfect love of God? Well, the ALL MIGHTY "freewill" of men. NO WAY!!!!

I firmly believe that the Bible is true - the wicked shall DIE, and "be no more".

Eternal life is a GIFT, and it is NOT given to the unbelieving, unrepentant, Christ-haters.

The death of the wicked in the lake of fire (which is the second death) is irreperable, unreversible, and there will be no appeal from that sentence.

The judgement of God against the wicked will be ETERNAL, age-lasting, and will never be changed.

In THIS life we have opportunity to repent from our sin and rebellion and cast ourselves upon the mercy of God. When this life is over, those who have spurned the offer of pardon will get exactly what they deserve - punishment for sin.

And the punishment for sin is DEATH.

The sinners who do not repent and who will not by faith be sanctified by the grace of God will NOT "live forever". They will be punished with "everlasting DESTRUCTION", they will PERISH, they will in fact be like wax that melteth... "thou shalt look for them, and shall not find them..." they shall melt away and "be no more".

Originally Posted by crakjak

Doesn't it make more sense that God will defeat Satan by "burning" up all the chaff and dross (sin), rather than burning up souls created by Himself? Will He not defeat His enemies by treating them same way He tells us to treat our enemies? By loving them and turning the into friends, by forgiving them as He told us to forgive even to "7X70" in one day? If a doctrine is in opposition to the essence of God it is necessarily false.

LOVE NEVER FAILS! Of course the traditional view and also annihilation teach that God's love, "the perfect" love, in fact DOES FAIL! And what is stronger than the perfect love of God? Well, the ALL MIGHTY "freewill" of men. NO WAY!!!!

GOD HAS SPOKEN: "the soul that sinneth, it shall SURELY DIE."

JESUS DECLARED that God is to be feared, for He it is that is able to kill BOTH SOUL and BODY IN GEHENNA.

The doctrine of universalism is a FALSE DOCTRINE, and is contradicted by the PLAIN STATEMENTS OF SCRIPTURE.

There is NOT ONE SINGLE SCRIPTURE which teaches that ALL the wicked WILL be saved AFTER the FINAL judgement.

Originally Posted by crakjak

Doesn't it make more sense that God will defeat Satan by "burning" up all the chaff and dross (sin), rather than burning up souls created by Himself?

God has already said the sinning soul that will not repent will DIE.

God WILL burn up the "chaff", and the Bible describes the wicked as CHAFF that shall be burnt with unquenchable fire, and blown off the scene by the wind of God's judgement. (see Psalm 1, for example...)

Will He not defeat His enemies by treating them same way He tells us to treat our enemies? By loving them and turning the into friends, by forgiving them as He told us to forgive even to "7X70" in one day?

Wrong. God will defeat His enemies by destroying them. He says so plainly over and over again in His Word. We are to forgive our brother when he comes to us and says "I repent", even if he does this 490 times in one day.

We cannot judge God's righteous judgement against sin and wickedness by our own standards. Ask the people of Sodom...

If a doctrine is in opposition to the essence of God it is necessarily false.

Yes, and thus your false doctrine of universalism is necessarily false, because it denies the justice of God, contradicts His own declarations on the very subject, makes a mockery of sin, and makes the cross of Jesus an unnecessary waste... since Christ died to give us eternal life - and since you believe everyone will live forever anyway...

LOVE NEVER FAILS! Of course the traditional view and also annihilation teach that God's love, "the perfect" love, in fact DOES FAIL! And what is stronger than the perfect love of God? Well, the ALL MIGHTY "freewill" of men. NO WAY!!!!

Nonsense. Your denial of free will is denied by your actions everyday, for you live life as if you had free will, and could not live life as if you did not, no matter how strenuously you object to it on a theoretical basis.

All those who deny free will are silly, and their own lives are a 24/7/365 refutation of their own nonsensical doctrine.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Eliseus

In THIS life we have opportunity to repent from our sin and rebellion and cast ourselves upon the mercy of God. When this life is over, those who have spurned the offer of pardon will get exactly what they deserve - punishment for sin.

We should all admit that ALL do not have opportunity in this life to hear and obey the gospel. This is simply stretching to cover erroneous doctrines.

I will say again, this view, annihilation, along with endless torment is inconsistent with the nature and character of our Heavenly Father. He will "punish" in curative "fires" for healing not annihilation. He tells us to "love" our enemies, do "good" to those who hurt you, forgive to 7X70 daily, will He do otherwise? I think not! His love will finally overcome all evil, that God may be "all in all". Love never fails! God's love even more so.

[Walk and Talk]

I have heard that the teachings about hell (place where the unsaved person will go (not referencing the place the devil, Antichrist, false-prophet will go) being an "eternal" punishment are teachings derived from a mistranslation: a mistranslation based on doctrinal prejudice.

What I am pondering and what I need to study in this doctrine is that it teaches the original language(s) use a word showing punishment for only an "age" or "season" with defined boundaries/limits. The word(s) in question, used in other passages, clearly show a use limited to an age and not an eternity. (This is what I have heard, and not something I have had time to study out. Therefore, at this time it is not a doctrine I currently embrace.)