Apo.Emergent Changers Catering to "WORLDLINGS" ... - Page 2

n david · #11 05-26-2010, 09:39 AM

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I understand they don’t think doing so will do away with Godly, tried and proven Church services. Services which are a breath of Heaven. Services filled with Holy Dignity and Order.

I didn't know there was a certain way services had to be ... I neither got the memo, nor did I see that in the upci rulebook.

Pressing-On · #12 05-26-2010, 09:55 AM

Taking his age into consideration, I'm not going to knock him for venting. Change is scary for older people and it doesn't make them happy to see it come.

Do we remember reading about George Whitefield walking into factories, not saying a word, and grown men crying because the presence of God was so strong? Now we sit at our computers and gossip about everyone having an opinion when we all have one of our own - don't we, Dan?

DAII · #13 05-26-2010, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by n david

I didn't know there was a certain way services had to be ... I neither got the memo, nor did I see that in the upci rulebook.

The traditionalist/sacramentalist now requires a rigid,l ritualistic orthodoxy to their liturgy.

*AQuietPlace* · #14 05-26-2010, 10:03 AM

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The only place the terms Rock, and Acid Rock music seems to be used anymore is in conservative churches. And really.... the Beach Boys, as an example?? This guy never grew beyond the anti-rock seminars of the early to mid 80's.

Or hippies. Hippies have been out of vogue for sometime.

People have always fought change, ever since the beginning of time.

DAII · #15 05-26-2010, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Or hippies. Hippies have been out of vogue for sometime.

People have always fought change, ever since the beginning of time.

Drug-infested hippies. Worldlings.

Jesus did not use this type of language or town when referencing the sinner or unbeliever ... much less a brother. He calls them the "least of these" .... "lost sheep".

Caiphas, maybe. Not Jesus.

If a preacher's wife is addicted to prescription pills .... is she "drug-infested".

DAII · #16 05-26-2010, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Or hippies. Hippies have been out of vogue for sometime.

People have always fought change, ever since the beginning of time.

He's a relic still appealing to the arcane, vitriolic writing style of the Apostolic Contender.
He probably thinks long sideburns are of the debbil.

*AQuietPlace* · #17 05-26-2010, 10:13 AM

I know him, and he's a very sweet and godly man. Just very sure that his beliefs are correct. As are most of us.

n david · #18 05-26-2010, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DAII

The traditionalist/sacramentalist now requires a rigid,l ritualistic orthodoxy to their liturgy.

Funny thing is they make fun and criticize Catholics, Lutherans and others for having ritualistic orthodoxy in their liturgy too.

deacon blues · #19 05-26-2010, 10:37 AM

The RCC didn't have much tolerance for "Culture Changers" like Martin Luther. Tyndale, Wycliffe, and a whole bunch of others balked established tradition and church culture and impacted the world. The problem is when we think we have the "whole truth" and we're unwilling to move forward as time and history progress. Change is inevitable. If its not altering what is clearly a scriptural edict, why worry?

The "when I was 22 in 1945" argument rings hollow. There was not that vast of a difference between the generation prior to his and his own. The landscape changes so fast now that one generation to the next can seem so far removed.

I'm an 80s generation product. If I tried to lead church with Amy Grant, the Allies, and Dallas Holm, the young people would wonder what was wrong with me. The songs we call hymns are in many cases songs written in the 30s, 40s and 50s. True hymns are HUNDREDS of years old. So essentially the songs he was singing when he got saved were contemporary to their times.

I say "sing unto the Lord a new song!" Elders don't need to be catered to, they should be mature enough that they are happy to see new people, young people, young couples and young families coming into the church. I don't necessarily like everything that modern worship produces, but neither have I ever liked Southern Gospel Quartet music, "The Great Speckled Bird", black gospel songs that use the same old "pick me up, turned me around, placed my feet on solid ground" lines.

The truth is most of these passionate reactions are because of taste, nostalgia and biases.

StillStanding · #20 05-26-2010, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues

The RCC didn't have much tolerance for "Culture Changers" like Martin Luther. Tyndale, Wycliffe, and a whole bunch of others balked established tradition and church culture and impacted the world. The problem is when we think we have the "whole truth" and we're unwilling to move forward as time and history progress. Change is inevitable. If its not altering what is clearly a scriptural edict, why worry?

The "when I was 22 in 1945" argument rings hollow. There was not that vast of a difference between the generation prior to his and his own. The landscape changes so fast now that one generation to the next can seem so far removed.

I'm an 80s generation product. If I tried to lead church with Amy Grant, the Allies, and Dallas Holm, the young people would wonder what was wrong with me. The songs we call hymns are in many cases songs written in the 30s, 40s and 50s. True hymns are HUNDREDS of years old. So essentially the songs he was singing when he got saved were contemporary to their times.

I say "sing unto the Lord a new song!" Elders don't need to be catered to, they should be mature enough that they are happy to see new people, young people, young couples and young families coming into the church. I don't necessarily like everything that modern worship produces, but neither have I ever liked Southern Gospel Quartet music, "The Great Speckled Bird", black gospel songs that use the same old "pick me up, turned me around, placed my feet on solid ground" lines.

The truth is most of these passionate reactions are because of taste, nostalgia and biases.

Great post! I've come to the realization that the "cool" Christian music that was popular when I was young and at college is now "old school!"

It's still my favorite kind of music, and I can cry crocodile tears remembering the great moves of the spirit while singing those songs. My kids just don't get my type of music at all!

Should we force feed the new generations to use Lanny Wolfe style music? I think not!