Do You Believe In Women Preachers?

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

Having women as a source of information as that vs put in a position of authority is a big difference. Women are given for blessing the source not taking the place of it. Women laying the law down preaching at the congregation..... sorry don't believe in that.

Guess I don't either, but it should be said that rarely can a man be received when/if he is "laying down the law" either. When it moves from exhortation to demanding, most will simply disconnect.

[Falla39]

The now retired pastor of the large Baptist church in our city, told our late father that his late grandmother was a Pentecostal preacher. My father questioned further, "You mean A. of God"? The Baptist minister said, "No, Pentecostal"! He knew the difference! Dad asked him what his opinion was of his late grandmother. He said, "Robert, to tell you the truth, I never had the opportunity to meet her, but from what I have heard, she must have been a wonderful lady".

He pastored the 140 yr old Baptist church for over 30 yrs, part of that time, while my late father pastored the Pentecostal church in our city. They were friends and called each other by their first names. At the 40th Anniv. of our church, this Baptist pastor spoke, representing the local ministerial allience, a community benevelant endeavor. He said with several of his board members and their wives present, "Now my wife, ____, always said, "IF I wasn't Baptist, I would be Pentecostal".

This Baptist minister also spoke, representing the Ministerial Allience in our city, at our late father's funeral, which was reported to have approx. 800 in attendance, many Tx Distrist ministers, the local Catholic priest, longtime local physican, and other local friends, etc, not associated with our church. Although they did not agree with our father, they loved and respected him. He had no enemies!

Through the years, Dad invited several lady ministers to speak, hold revivals, etc. It is easy for those today to speak out against lady preachers, not realizing that many of our well known and ministers in leadership, came in under the preaching of lady preachers! I wonder what Jesus Christ would say today if HE posted on this thread today! Would HE say, "Did I not tell you that in ME, there is neither male nor female, but you are ONE in me! Do you not yet believe my words"!

Falla39

[Sister Alvear]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Guess I don't either, but it should be said that rarely can a man be received when/if he is "laying down the law" either. When it moves from exhortation to demanding, most will simply disconnect.

that is so true...the way we express ourselves means a lot...hard demanding people usually have weak followers that do not know how to make their own decisions....they become dummies to some system....I don´t even care to be remembered like that...I WANT my people to know how to make decisions...

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

So pointing out someone uses ad homs in a debate,which others there said you did, is slander? Seriously. You do and honestly it's not that big a deal except that if you do it in a more public place in a debate between Trinitarians and OPs and you are representing OPs, it makes us look weak by resorting to Ad homs...if you do then just a suggestion you not do it. Here it might mean less.

Prax....You are a hoot! The ones on CARM who accused me of "ad hom's" were the Trinitarians! And, they were the most ugly-spirited ones at that! You're a little too gullible Prax....Learn to think critically in a scrutinizing sense & you'll get along much better.

Anyways, you are quoting a verse from an entirely different context.

Contrare Monfrare'!! The context of I Cor. 14:34-35 is women speaking in church....just as I Tim. 2:11-15! It's hard for you to kick against the pricks eh' Prax??

The verse you quoted but did not reference, is from 1Cor and clearly Paul writes things that are commandments of the Lord

Very good Prax....& when Paul was merely stating his own opinion, he clearly says so, such as in I Cor. 7. However, since you're soooo certain that Paul was merely stating his "opinion" in I Tim. 2:11-15, then you should have no problem demonstrating what you're speculating!

Thus, here's your opportunity to demonstrate what you repeatedly assert above [honestly, the argument doesn't even merit a scholarly analysis], please fill in this blank w/ where Paul states IN THE TEXT of I Tim. 2 that this was merely his "opinion":______________? Purty please!?!?

However Paul informs us that not everything he writes is a commandment of the Lord

Yes.....when he "informs us," which he didn't do in I Tim. 2:11-15. Using this logic, when Paul says "I will that men pray everywhere, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting...", I suppose we can now have wrath in our hearts because, according to Prax, "it's only Paul's opinion"???????

1Co 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

And so we have Paul saying "I do not permit" not "The Lord does not permit"...sounds like a personal preference.

Nice argument from silence here Prax! Honestly, this is why I don't even bother w/ AFF anymore....it's a joke & this is well known amongst true Apostolics. Will check back in when I get bored....in a few months....or years!!

"You are they who justify yourselves before men.....".

[rdp]

Originally Posted by budrok

I am a grandson of a Pentecostal Woman preacher. Enough said.

Which has absolutely nothing to do w/ what the Bible says.

"I DO NOT ALLOW A WOMAN TO TEACH, OR TO EXCERCISE AUTHORITY OVER A MAN. SHE IS TO REMAIN QUIET....THESE THINGS I WRITE TO YOU SO THAT YOU MAY KNOW HOW TO BEAHVE YOURSELF IN THE HOUSEHOLD OF GOD, WHICH IS THE CHURCH.....".

Hello....Is anybody at home........

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I preached tonight at our church! One boy repented but guess he was not forgiven since a woman preached...oh well.....

As I've repeatedly said, I honor you for your sacrifices & highly respect you Sister. We disagree whole-heartedly, but I appreciate your love for souls.

I could sit here all day responding to your copy & paste jobs, since I'm well familiar w/ the arguments & have heard them all for years now. Moreover, I've addressed them ad nauseum over the last several years w/ you & you just seem to ignore my responses, all the while side-stepping I Tim. 2:11-15. TRUST ME, I have much more to say on the matter regarding the Greek syntax, but would be a waste of time since I do not believe that anyone will change.

In the final analysis, we teach & believe the written Word of God, or "the whole counsel of God".

Blessings anyway & Oh yea', Happy B-day [belated]! BTW, I know you know who I am & I could really fill you in on a few things that you're not aware of regarding our mutual friend, or my "in-law"....but will save it for later.

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Wow, RDP has posted nothing but attitude-filled posts here. lol

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Wow, RDP has posted nothing but attitude-filled posts here. lol

Style over substance. He dismisses other arguments too this way rather than address their points.

It's hard to believe in all that time between my last post and his reply this was all he could think of?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Wow, RDP has posted nothing but attitude-filled posts here. lol

Why am I not surprised??? I have addressed Prax's "arguments" ad nauseum...but think what u will. As I said, AFF is considered a joke amongst real Apostolics....& I won't even begin w/ your Ezek. 16 "arguments".

I only look in here when I get bored...which is rare.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Style over substance. He dismisses other arguments too this way rather than address their points.

It's hard to believe in all that time between my last post and his reply this was all he could think of?

I see....all that "substance" from the Praxeas dug-out!

I've "addressed your points" until I could pass out! I simply rarely look in on this forum anymore since the "scholarship" (particulary on this thread) is hard to take seriously.

Your "Paul's Personal Preference" argument is absurd & does not even merit a scholarly analysis Prax.

But....Believe what you want, I do not have to answer for on Judgement Day. See ya' in a few months!