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06-19-2007, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Rico
So the tithes Abraham gave were from a crop?
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NOW you've got 'im! 
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06-19-2007, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by COOPER
Exactly!
Pastors could fabricate tents [get a Job] and require nothing from anyone....
It was good enough for Paul.
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Oh. . .okay. So the Pastor should support the church entirely on his own so the congregation doesn't have to give anything. How is that even fair?
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06-19-2007, 09:21 PM
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Jesus' Name Pentecostal
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Join Date: Feb 2007
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Originally Posted by Felicity
I have never been able to figure out why any born again believer having experienced the grace, mercy, forgiveness of and relationship with a God who is so awesome and powerful and bestows such blessing, favor and anointing on us ......... could possibly resent giving 10% of what they earn.
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I can see how it could cause resentment if tithing is presented as salvational and if there appears to be mismanagement of the church funds.
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06-19-2007, 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Chan
I thought you were better at reading than that! Show me where in my post I said "the Jewish practice of giving." If you're going to challenge what I say, at least have the decency to challenge what I actually said.  |
Ok, let's try again Jewish tradition of tithing was the Jewish way of giving unto the Lord.
Now where did the first century Christians get their traditions of giving?
Since you need word for word spelled out for you allow me to explain.
1) Where did the first century Christians practicing giving that was foreign to the Jews?
2) Did the first century Christians give 100% of all they owned and live totally communal lives?
I await you smart response.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournaal.com
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06-19-2007, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam
I can see how it could cause resentment if tithing is presented as salvational and if there appears to be mismanagement of the church funds.
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Sam why do you present issues that are not even part of a discussion?
Are we talking about Biblical giving or scandals within 21st century churches?
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournal.com
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06-19-2007, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Ravens
Oh. . .okay. So the Pastor should support the church entirely on his own so the congregation doesn't have to give anything. How is that even fair?
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Cooper is proposing that churches in the 21st century should be disbanded and those ministers leave what they're doing and tell the congregations to save their money and go have little Bible groups. Cooper will be strumming his guitar while America is over run with Islam. The young people of this country will then become Muslims and take over this country. The country will then become Islamic and during Cooper's final years he and his wife will be forced to keep standards of Islam. He will then realize that all his complaining about Apostolic Pentecostals was for nought, as he is wailing in a mosque outside of Texas.
Lord help us.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournal.com
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06-19-2007, 09:53 PM
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Hello AFF!
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Location: Amarillo, Tx.
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Cooper is proposing that churches in the 21st century should be disbanded and those ministers leave what they're doing and tell the congregations to save their money and go have little Bible groups. Cooper will be strumming his guitar while America is over run with Islam. The young people of this country will then become Muslims and take over this country. The country will then become Islamic and during Cooper's final years he and his wife will be forced to keep standards of Islam. He will then realize that all his complaining about Apostolic Pentecostals was for nought, as he is wailing in a mosque outside of Texas.
Lord help us.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
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I do wish there were less post like this. 
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06-19-2007, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Ravens
Oh. . .okay. So the Pastor should support the church entirely on his own so the congregation doesn't have to give anything. How is that even fair?
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No, thats not what I meant to convey.
There are two Pastors that I know that have full time jobs and do not depend on tithes and offerings to pay a mortgage, Car payments, food and clothing etc.
Paul used his talent to support his self and not be a burden to the church.
What I am saying is let the people give as they have purposed in their heart.
This would require a Pastor to trust in God and not Tithes.
Tithes are a security to pay the Cost of running a Church building.
And when people give from the heart every one is blessed to give freely.
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06-19-2007, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by OP_Carl
I didn't say tithing is a NT law!
But tithing has been a NT principle and practice for 2000 years.
It fits right in there with modesty as a principle that is encouraged, not mandated, in an effort to improve the spiritual walks of believers and keep them striving for perfection.
Our Southern Baptist, AME, UMC, and COGIC friends would have some stern words for anybody suggesting that the principle of tithing be hung out to dry, and reliance on free-spirit giving to replace it. Why should it appeal to Apostolics?
I don't give because I greedily want and expect a monetary blessing from heaven's cash register drawer in return!
I give because I believe in the ministries and missions of my local church assembly, and I want to help and to be a blessing.
If you were running your own business, which would be more helpful? Sporadic or steady income? Do your creditors accept free-spirit-guided payment plans? 
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2000 years?? Are you sure? Let us try closer to 1600 or so. A little accurate church history wouldn't hurt.
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06-19-2007, 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by COOPER
I do wish there were less post like this. |
I don't know Coop everything we do as Apostolics just burns your hide.
You have a problem with everything. You moved out of Virginia how long ago? Has it been about maybe 4 years? Maybe less? How long have you been out of the U.P.? Hey I seen this stuff enough times to know you guys start out like this and then end up where you don't believe in even the Bible anymore.
No problem Cooper. How about a truce already?
Like I said when the Muslims are teaching your wife the finer points of berka wear I hope you consider us Apostolics and how we didn't deserve your wrath.
Brother Benincasa
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