Actually, you're not hearing him right; OP didn't say that. He stated clearly that gluttony was a sin.
Ah, MissBrattifield, you're chiming in. I do remember you waaay back on my Deep Waters Thread on this subject.
I guess the point is, if a person weighs in at a lovely 400 lbs, how did they get there?
The old "Thyroid" problem is an overrated excuse to get big and eat till you pop. I've sat at more Apostolic table spreads than you can count, and people are GORGING themselves and our Churches are suffering physically because of it.
Well, I don't know, the first post after I said that is Socialite making fun and laughing.
Shorts may not have been the best example but I do believe they are immodest and certain kinds of shorts most definitely are. But in any of these cases it seems the wise and prudent approach is to avoid the things that could lead us into problem areas and just stay away. What difference, really, does it make if I get to wear shorts or not? ARe shorts really worth fighting for? Or any of the other things? I'm not interested in how much I can do and not sin, I'm interested in staying as far away from it as possible!
Some seem to almost take pride in what they're able to do, not realizing they're headed for danger. I would just as soon stay from it all. I'm not missing a thing and filled with the joy of the Lord!
No, and I'm not fighting over them with you.
I don't take pride in whatever liberties I have; you asked what my views were in regard to question #4. I answered as frankly as I could without second guessing or trying to over-explain why I think this or that.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
with great respect to you, the exchange that just popped up about shorts is classic.
giving some list leads to this. It is far better to simply teach people to look inward and to find those things that they need to deal with and hand to God.
otherwise, a man's honest conviction becomes fodder for ridicule.
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WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM??? Have I not said repeatedly that I believe gluttony is a sin??? PLEASE stop saying that I think it's ok to overeat!!! Here, let me say this so you can understand:
GLUTTONY IS A SIN
GLUTTONY IS A SIN
GLUTTONY IS A SIN
GLUTTONY IS A SIN
GLUTTONY IS A SIN
GLUTTONY IS A SIN
GLUTTONY IS A SIN
GLUTTONY IS A SIN
GLUTTONY IS A SIN
GLUTTONY IS A SIN
GLUTTONY IS A SIN
GLUTTONY IS A SIN
GLUTTONY IS A SIN
GLUTTONY IS A SIN
GLUTTONY IS A SIN
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT NOW?????
and drunkenness or overindulgence in alcohol is a sin also
my approach is a bit different even while respecting yours... which is very traditional.
as a general rule, I look at all things with the question "can I make a biblical case". I generally stop when I get to "no"
I proceed where the answer is "yes".
I do agree that there are some things that can be doorways to sin "if thy eye offend thee". These things may not be sin themselves but we should guard ourselves very closely.
I teach this very strongly. What I do not do is give examples. I don’t say "like wearing shorts". I don’t do this for multiple reasons.
1. giving a list leads those I am teaching to expect me to define all things they should avoid or do.
2. giving a list will eventually lead to my defense of the unbiblical.
3. giving a list will in all cases cause debate where none should be.
4. giving a list will require someone who has no jeopardy to some item on the list, to make a choice to obey and not do something that makes no sense to them
but more importantly providing a list of do's and don’ts prevents saints from growing and maturing and working out their own salvation.
I spent the better part of an entire Sunday school lesson hitting the necessity of personal boundaries. dealing with the fact that we each had better have limits to our liberty that is well within the boundary of where sin is. Because those boundaries we set save us from reaching the place of sin.
It caused more than a little discomfort and soul searching in all of us.
But I did not give any examples. my examples limit people from gaining their own spiritual understanding of their walk with God.
When you teach people to look at their own life, and listen to GOD as he moves in them, you build Christians that are stronger and who will be far more committed to the things of God and who will develop personal convictions that are vastly stronger than any list we can hand out.
This is where I diverge from many that I walk along beside (maybe even you) but this is a result of having grown up in a moderate, down the middle church that taught people to be grown up Christians instead of handing out a rule book.
This reminds me of watchman Nee teaching to new sisters in the Lord. He wouldn't tell them how to dress but instruct them to pray over an outfit before putting on to see if pleasing to the Lord. He believed it should be a relationship thing between them and God.
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Today pull up the little weeds,
The sinful thoughts subdue,
Or they will take the reins themselves
And someday master you. --Anon.
The most deadly sins do not leap upon us, they creep up on us.
WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM??? Have I not said repeatedly that I believe gluttony is a sin??? PLEASE stop saying that I think it's ok to overeat!!! Here, let me say this so you can understand:
GLUTTONY IS A SIN
GLUTTONY IS A SIN
GLUTTONY IS A SIN
GLUTTONY IS A SIN
GLUTTONY IS A SIN
GLUTTONY IS A SIN
GLUTTONY IS A SIN
GLUTTONY IS A SIN
GLUTTONY IS A SIN
GLUTTONY IS A SIN
GLUTTONY IS A SIN
GLUTTONY IS A SIN
GLUTTONY IS A SIN
GLUTTONY IS A SIN
GLUTTONY IS A SIN
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT NOW?????
Wow...who's the mad one, here?
Here's some TRUTH, if you're willing to accept the Truth.
Women legs are pretty sexy... I vote they start covering those up! It's taking away from my righteousness.
Most guys would rather look at a woman's legs than looking at a man's legs.
Even the Lord feels that way. Psalm 147:10 says that the Lord "taketh not pleasure in the legs of a man."
with great respect to you, the exchange that just popped up about shorts is classic.
giving some list leads to this. It is far better to simply teach people to look inward and to find those things that they need to deal with and hand to God.
otherwise, a man's honest conviction becomes fodder for ridicule.
Ah, MissBrattifield, you're chiming in. I do remember you waaay back on my Deep Waters Thread on this subject.
I guess the point is, if a person weighs in at a lovely 400 lbs, how did they get there?
The old "Thyroid" problem is an overrated excuse to get big and eat till you pop. I've sat at more Apostolic table spreads than you can count, and people are GORGING themselves and our Churches are suffering physically because of it.
Careful with those “Smoke and Mirrors”.
NFS - I'm not disagreeing with you that it's a big problem, no pun intended. I do agree with OPII that gluttony is a sin; the results of gluttony are not. It's wrong (and patently judgmental) to go around judging obese people as sinners because of their state. Perhaps they are; perhaps they aren't. That would be like judging a person with cirrhosis of the liver as being a drunk. Maybe; maybe not.
A lot of this is an American problem, not a CHURCH problem. There are certainly many more factors than just caloric intake, including but not limited to: Processed, refined foods; ignorance about nutrition; limited access to healthy foods; limited budgets; sedentary lifestyles, to name a few.
I do agree with you that the church could be a catalyst for change if we recognized this as a problem people actually need help with and tried to address it just as we address those who struggle with alcohol.
Anyway, my only point was that you accused OPII of saying something he didn't.
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Originally Posted by NotForSale
...You condemn people because of wearing lip gloss, yet people can eat until their body falls apart, inside and out, and you think that's OK????
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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