What's Wrong With Facial Hair

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Richard Perry

Are you really digging for truth or just digging? If you'll read carefully, Pauls exhortation in corinthians you'll find plenty of athority to dictate the hair issues. Paul addressed it to them when they were the only church in the fellowship with such a problem. (if any man be contentious we have no such tradition, neither in all of the churches,) (perryphrase) Sounds dictatorial to me.

The Apostolic order is just that, set it in order the things found wanting. and if personal glory is secondary to contenance glory, (or the revealing of God's glory on the face that the Holy Ghost displays) then the apostolic athority has an obligation and edict to set it in order scriptually. (It was Pauls teaching to aproach God in humility, women with a covering, hair, and men without a covering, hair,)

Now before you sling the stone David, It was not talking about baldness, but the role of the gender. Nature, short hair, beards shorn, vanity Now the oxymoron of this is if you have a beard or gotee or mustache, you probably won't ge it. Because they are a darkening of your understanding Epn 4:17

What does short hair have to do with a beard? The length of the beard can be long or short but that doesn't speak in the least to the very existence of one.

Did Jesus have a beard?

And... for the record.... I am clean shaven. I do not have a beard, mustache, goatee or long sideburns.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Rabbi Perry,

I am trying to integrate your teaching into my existing schema:

that facial hair equals death ...

since you seem to be suggesting that since

facial hair = dead protein
and
sin produced death ... therefore
Adam before the fall did not have facial hair.


However, I have quite a dilemma with it ...

Well ... here goes ...

We all know that men and women have testosterone in their body ...
of course men have higher amounts of it ... and that's what makes me MANLY.

We also know that testosterone ... what MAKES ME MANLY ... also has a direct link to producing facial hair ...

If you don't believe me ... see the he-she woman athletes of the 70's and 80's from the former Soviet Eastern bloc countries that were injecting themselves w/ this hormone .... can you say Sasquatch!!!!

Now ....

seeing this link ... and using your model of logic ... does this mean that ADAM WAS EFFEMINATE ...

I mean before the fall ... of course ....

He must've started producing this hormone after biting the fruit ... right????

Please help with this one ....

If this be true ...

then I owe my Poli Sci professor from college a HUGE APOLOGY ... since one day he entered the classroom and started his lectures stating :

"Man is his natural state is HOMOSEXUAL ... "

Boy ... did he regret ever saying that ... because I gave him the SMACKDOWN ....

Should I start drafting my letter of apology or not????

I'll get back to you as soon as I put on my lab coat and fire up the crucibles..

In all of my expressions I have not tried to change you, just give you information and opposing logic. The two schools of logic are posterior analytics (explaining circumstances by pointing to the evolution of the culture and social impact) and prior analytics (pointing to the logic by the natural exposition of nature and its purpose)

You used prior when you said that our thinking made God wrong for giving us beards. I countered with prior logic by explaining there is no evidence on Adams condition being bearded.

Then you countered with posterior analytics by using cultural contadictions. In that arena we could spend days weeks and years bantering. (Not on my part anyway, can't and won't)

Richard, can you summarize your stance in a couple of sentences as to why you believe that beards are wrong... I must be dense because I haven't actually gotten your point in all the stuff you have posted.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Richard Perry

I'll get back to you as soon as I put on my lab coat and fire up the crucibles..

In all of my expressions I have not tried to change you, just give you information and opposing logic. The two schools of logic are posterior analytics (explaining circumstances by pointing to the evolution of the culture and social impact) and prior analytics (pointing to the logic by the natural exposition of nature and its purpose)

You used prior when you said that our thinking made God wrong for giving us beards. I countered with prior logic by explaining there is no evidence on Adams condition being bearded.

Then you countered with posterior analytics by using cultural contadictions. In that arena we could spend days weeks and years bantering. (Not on my part anyway, can't and won't)

Is this an unconditional SURRENDER ?????

[LadyChocolate]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

What does short hair have to do with a beard? The length of the beard can be long or short but that doesn't speak in the least to the very existence of one.

Did Jesus have a beard?

Oh, this is gonna be soo good! D4T- we were recently told that the reason they could pluck Christ's beard was because he had been in jail and could not shave..... ... and that if you are one with a beard that you also didn't brush your teeth nor did you take showers.... ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha hah ah ah a ha hah ahahha ah ah ah aaah. such foolishness...

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by LadyChocolate

Oh, this is gonna be soo good! D4T- we were recently told that the reason they could pluck Christ's beard was because he had been in jail and could not shave..... ... and that if you are one with a beard that you also didn't brush your teeth nor did you take showers.... ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha hah ah ah a ha hah ahahha ah ah ah aaah. such foolishness...

I asked the question in my pre-teens and was given an answer by my sunday school teacher that I accepted for many years...

The answer....



Wait for it....


It's gonna be good...

He had just returned from 30 days in the wilderness.

I later realized that they were about 3-1/2 years off.

[LadyChocolate]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

I asked the question in my pre-teens and was given an answer by my sunday school teacher that I accepted for many years...

The answer....



Wait for it....


It's gonna be good...

He had just returned from 30 days in the wilderness.

I later realized that they were about 3-1/2 years off.

well, had he been on a sojourn, he would have taken his schick quattro because he would not have been a stumbling block for anyone......()

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Richard Perry

Then you countered with posterior analytics by using cultural contadictions. In that arena we could spend days weeks and years bantering. (Not on my part anyway, can't and won't)

Rabbi P, Are you suggesting I'm a posterior analytics expert ????

I feel like a cowboy standing at the corral trying to pick which mustang i'm going to try to break.....ugh......surrender yes, I wont try to change anyones stubborn refusal to think.

Ummm. Sheltidad. you I'll adress because you admit you didn't see....Modern man is vain beyond the simple things or simple ways of ancient times. They were vain in thier male ego's yes but appearances were never a real social expression. When it became one, Paul addressed it.

When a male grows hair on the face, it has similar properties as a rock star growing hair for his image, to create a view other than the one he was given.

Thus the Law in Lev. to never trim the beard. humility that fit a purpose for Israel. Today, all, with very few exceptions, are grown to fit the projection and change due to social acceptance or social rebellion. When the sports world began embracing the goatee, then the religious world began the same, In my generation it was porkchop sideburns and foo-manchu mustache. (anybody remember Catfish Hunter?)

Paul expicitly commanded that our relationship with God is affected by our placement of our head. Women, fearfully, carefully be sure you cover yours with the only glory God gave man. the womans hair. And men, carefully and fearfull consider how you approach God as a man, with Christ as the head and His glory to show and not your's.

This is the new testement principle in harmony with the old as applied to the gentiles (usson's)

The reflection of the world around Jesus was changing dramatically. Rome had take posession of a kingdom God had developed by 5 great kings. (Cyrus,Darius,Artezerxes,Ahaserous,Alexander the great) The entire world was inundated with cultural fusion, I believe because God was preparing the world for Israel's King. If thou oh Jerusalem had known this day what was given to thy peace, but you would not.

This managerie' was still inplace for the church of the gentiles. So Pauline instructions were a shadow of a Worldwide message. Jesus had come to Israel and had been rejected. We must remember much of His prophcy and teaching was to a nation that knew God. With the law overlooking His every word. He was alway careful not to offend one jot or tittle of the Law for he was the fulfillment of the Law.

Paul was given, much to his own dismay, charge of this same world that Israel should have had. He spent the time in Arabia and set in the curch the order of importance.

Now everybody please take a deep breath. Jesus in Matt 16 placed within the apostolic church with the keys a certain levity and neccessity of lawgiving. I feel that to follow the principles and commands closely is advantageous in this hour for the fences that they bring to keep the enemy from our camp. To live beneath the commands is to invite temptation and to put eternity in jeapordy.

Now stop making me set a dividing line for you. I must Pastor the greatest people on earth and I will set the lines for them. Because when the trumpet sounds, even if they're stumbling, i want them stumbling in the church and not out of it.

We cannot judge feelings. The imputed righteousness will bring us to a restored righteousness, and the atonment will take care of the unknown sins. but, Abraham was only imputed righteousness because he came out from among his world and started following God.

[SDG]

Catfish ... helped bring my Yanks a couple of championships ...