Your experience when you dropped "dress standards" - Page 19

Baron1710 · #**181** 06-06-2008, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by StMark

I know there are variances within the UPC.
the Westcoast is more conservative then the midwest
of the UPC for instance. I've come to the conclusion
that they can handle it. Why? because the people in the
midwest have deeper roots then CA. people and there is
a lot more evil out here to pull people into sin. so maybe
they need more discipline ???
Anyhow, I'm talking about the ones who go totally
charismatic.

But I think that's kinda the point. Is wearing a wrist watch (which I have heard preached against at youth camp in Cali) heading towards being charismatic? Is short sleeves? What makes one "Charismatic" and which "standards" do they have to leave behind to get there? Can people in the Midwest be more Charismatic and still be saved than those on the West Coast?

MissBrattified · #**182** 06-06-2008, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Rico when I pastored I was NOT a control freak however if a pastor loves the people he is pastoring he is going to warn them strongly at times abouts trends that can turn into sins.

I completely agree with sentiment. I think that is part of a pastor's job, for sure! And there are things that a pastor will get up and warn against that might not have to do with any other church!

I firmly believe in submitting to your pastor's authority.

tbpew · #**183** 06-06-2008, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

And for this very reason is why people that are not grounded in the Word and have their own personal convictions will step WAY too far left when they are no long under that pastor.

can somebody throw a few palm leaves in front of this poster...(or at least in front of the post!)

If you start off following a local ruler rather than our wonderful counselor, any occassion that ushers in dissallusion will leave a person gasping for air.

The building-based delivery system needs to be scrapped for a more perfect tabernacle, one that is a body. Mature saints will never add another surrogate mediator between their life and God, they will have ONE mediator, the man Christ Jesus.

MissBrattified · #**184** 06-06-2008, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by tbpew

can somebody throw a few palm leaves in front of this poster...(or at least in front of the post!)

If you start off following a local ruler rather than our wonderful counselor, any occassion that ushers in dissallusion will leave a person gasping for air.

The building-based delivery system needs to be scrapped for a more perfect tabernacle, one that is a body. Mature saints will never add another surrogate mediator between their life and God, they will have ONE mediator, the man Christ Jesus.

Does this mean no pastors?

StMark · #**185** 06-06-2008, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

But I think that's kinda the point. Is wearing a wrist watch (which I have heard preached against at youth camp in Cali) heading towards being charismatic? Is short sleeves? What makes one "Charismatic" and which "standards" do they have to leave behind to get there? Can people in the Midwest be more Charismatic and still be saved than those on the West Coast?

you are wanting an exact science Baron. I'm not going to get into exact specifics
i know they fuss over that stuff out here but I'm referring to the ones on this thread
that threw everything away. some that i know that left UPC 15-20 years ago
mock Pentecostals and even embrace universal ideology-
all streams may lead to God who are we to judge.
my question is, where does it stop???

tbpew · #**186** 06-06-2008, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Does this mean no pastors?

It means pastors as guides, working in concert with
apostles as guides
prophets as guides
evangelists as guides
teachers as guides

being ensamples of following the leading provided by the Spirit of truth.

Jack Shephard · #**187** 06-06-2008, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by StMark

Whaaaaat!!! really ??? you and Epley are at
TOTAL opposite ends!

Bro. you gotta put equal weight at each end of the scale to balance it out. Not referring to the weight of the men but the weight of their beliefs

Baron1710 · #**188** 06-06-2008, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by StMark

you are wanting an exact science Baron. I'm not going to get into exact specifics
i know they fuss over that stuff out here but I'm referring to the ones on this thread
that threw everything away. some that i know that left UPC 15-20 years ago
mock Pentecostals and even embrace universal ideology-
all streams may lead to God who are we to judge.
my question is, where does it stop???

I get what you are saying it just seems to me that the idea from many is that anyone who allows more than me is a sinner. So if I say sleeves to the elbow and you say sleeves to the wrist, that makes me a sinner who is throwing it all away.

Steve Epley · #**189** 06-06-2008, 10:52 AM

Has anyone noticed the irreversible trend in the AG? They are discussing if tongues is the evidence of receving the HGB the complete reason for their existance?

Rico · #**190** 06-06-2008, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Rico when I pastored I was NOT a control freak however if a pastor loves the people he is pastoring he is going to warn them strongly at times abouts trends that can turn into sins.

I thought about that after I made that post. I know you don't fall into the control freak category and should have made that clear. However, I am sure you know what I am talking about when I talk about control freaks. It's one thing to say, "I believe things should be this way." It's another entirely to say, "Do things this way or you are going straight to Hell." It's the latter I was referring to as being into controlling people.