Re: CeCe Winans under fire for singing at Gay chur
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Originally Posted by ReformedDave
Okay. Your point?
My point is you should not eat shellfish, since scripture calls it an abomination. You seem to put more significance on "sins" that are labeled such.
The usual answer to this (besides ridicule, saying it reflects a lack of scriptural understanding) is that this is "ceremonial law" (rescinded, and/or not for Gentiles), not the "moral law" (applies to everyone, and for all time). OK, what scripture says that, and spells out which laws are which?
The abomination of male homosexuality is in a list in the same book, but both lists are simply introduced as the Lord speaking to Moses, with laws to give the children of Israel.
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Re: CeCe Winans under fire for singing at Gay chur
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Originally Posted by Timmy
My point is you should not eat shellfish, since scripture calls it an abomination. You seem to put more significance on "sins" that are labeled such.
The usual answer to this (besides ridicule, saying it reflects a lack of scriptural understanding) is that this is "ceremonial law" (rescinded, and/or not for Gentiles), not the "moral law" (applies to everyone, and for all time). OK, what scripture says that, and spells out which laws are which?
The abomination of male homosexuality is in a list in the same book, but both lists are simply introduced as the Lord speaking to Moses, with laws to give the children of Israel.
Interesting that the dietary laws were rescinded in the NT and the sin of homosexuality was maintained.
The difference between the 'ceremonial' law and moral law is that the ceremonial law pointed to and was fulfilled by Christ. The moral law reflects God's character or nature and doesn't change.
As far as one scripture? You'll have to do a systematic study and take everything into account.
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Re: CeCe Winans under fire for singing at Gay chur
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Originally Posted by GodsBabyGirl
Thank q for your comment...
Anyone is much more receptive to ministry of any kind when you minister from a standpoint of 'I am no better than you are. God can save, heal, deliver, etc. Your issue/sin is not too hard for God to handle. My issue isn't too hard for God to handle....'
What is eluding many in the ministry is that we must become all things to all so some can be saved. No, all won't be. But that doesn't mean we stop fishing just because the river is dirty.
When handling fish out of the MS, your hands will get dirty. When you take the fish off the hook, you will get a little soiled. It is not the most comfortable experience, that fishing.
I went one time with my grandma. There were mosquitoes everywhere! And they tore my hide up, ya heard?
She told me that sometimes snakes come out. And especially in the Deep South sometimes you'll see alligators!
But yet and all, despite the risk of the environment, many still partake of this leisurely activity. When they can just as easily go to a fish store and buy the fish, caught AND cleaned, packaged real nice ready to put in the pan and fry down with some cornbread.
But I know a few folk who won't buy seafood from the store. They actually PREFER to go out and risk the elements to catch fresh fish out the water, pack them on ice, have the truck or car stank as all get out, THEN go home and clean the fish up, which is just plain N.A.S.T.Y.!!!!!
Yet us fishers of men...well, we don't want to get our hands dirty. We don't want to risk the elements in FEAR that they will overtake us.
Here we got all power and authority, have the Word of God AND the Holy Ghost at our possession, and afraid or unable to use it.
We too scurred (scared) to go out and fish for souls in the lake of Sodom and Gomorrah. We too scurred that a demon may jump on us and we may actually get a buzz from all the perversion swarming all around us....for shame...
And that's cool if that's where we are at.
But if God leads someone else (CeCe) to get out of their comfort zone and go to the river instead of waiting for the fish to jump out of the water and VOILA! all of a sudden the fish (harvest) just jumped up in my net!!!!!
Let her alone. She is being led of God. And I admire the fact that she is getting out of her comfort zone and gone fishin!
We still in da boat!
Well, go ahead and wait for the fish to jump in your net. You know we got one (a net) on every corner. Maybe that poor fish would survive outta water longer than we think....
Truth!!!
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Re: CeCe Winans under fire for singing at Gay chur
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Originally Posted by ReformedDave
Interesting that the dietary laws were rescinded in the NT and the sin of homosexuality was maintained.
The difference between the 'ceremonial' law and moral law is that the ceremonial law pointed to and was fulfilled by Christ. The moral law reflects God's character or nature and doesn't change.
As far as one scripture? You'll have to do a systematic study and take everything into account.
And I find it interesting that some of the rescinded laws were denoted as abominations, originally.
It's also interesting that in the NT some dietary laws (not sure they came from the OT, though) were required of Gentile believers: refrain from eating meat offered to idols, from blood, and from things strangled. (Acts 15:29)
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Re: CeCe Winans under fire for singing at Gay chur
Excerpt from "MINISTERING GRACIOUSLY TO THE GAY AND LESBIAN
COMMUNITY", by Brian Keith Williams, pg 114:
The Painful Way
Satan works to convince the church to pass by the homosexual by convincing them that he is incorrigible and unchangeable. By accomplishing this, he has undermined the power of the blood of Jesus in the hearts and minds of Christendom. If Jesus' shed blood stops short of transforming a particular person (and it does not), then what else can it not affect? This is the de facto reality of denying its power over homosexuality.
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Isaiah 53:5: "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed."(KJV)
"God sends no one away empty except those who are full of themselves." Dwight L. Moody
Re: CeCe Winans under fire for singing at Gay chur
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Originally Posted by Timmy
And I find it interesting that some of the rescinded laws were denoted as abominations, originally.
It's also interesting that in the NT some dietary laws (not sure they came from the OT, though) were required of Gentile believers: refrain from eating meat offered to idols, from blood, and from things strangled. (Acts 15:29)
God can change whatever He desires.....He's da boss.
As far as the NT dietary laws, I'll have to look into them further. Could have been a cultural issue. I'm not ready to offer an opinion.
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Re: CeCe Winans under fire for singing at Gay chur
Please allow me to offer a better example. Jesus went to the Gaderenes. As soon as he stepped off the boat a demon possessed man ran to Jesus and was delivered. Jesus didn't have to say one word. He stepped off the boat.
Here is another thought people fail to realize. What was Jesus doing in a region known for raising pigs? Pigs were an abomination in Jewish culture. Jesus walked among pig farmers, threw some devils into a herd of pigs then was kicked out of town. He didn't go into that area telling people they had to get rid of their pigs. He just showed up, did his thang, then left.
It reeks of self righteousness if one believes they have to preach about homosexuality in a homosexual church when they don't preach about the other sins at other churches. They just let the Lord lead them.
As I have stated before, Unless directed by God, I wouldn't preach against the witchcraft of legalism at the Beyond Limits Confernce. I would follow the same principle if invited to preach at a homosexual church. I find it funny all the armchair quarterbacks who haven't spent one moment in prayer on what God wants to accomplish in that service have the audacity to tell someone how to minister to a congregation.
It has been established by people who know, the church in question has been mischaracterized. I'll take their word for it since they live in the area. Even if it was a "gay affirming" church, not everyone who attends that church is gay. So maybe we should butt out, get off our soapboxes, and trust the person who is going there is going to do what God tells them. Cece Winans has an excellent track record. She will follow the leading of the Lord.
13Once again Jesus went out beside the lake. A large crowd came to him, and he began to teach them. 14As he walked along, he saw Levi son of Alphaeus sitting at the tax collector's booth. "Follow me," Jesus told him, and Levi got up and followed him.
15While Jesus was having dinner at Levi's house, many tax collectors and "sinners" were eating with him and his disciples, for there were many who followed him. 16When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him eating with the "sinners" and tax collectors, they asked his disciples: "Why does he eat with tax collectors and 'sinners'?"
17On hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
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