Calling all PAJCers: When does Justification and Remission Happen?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Really ... Matt .. for the life of me ... why can't someone tell my why their sins were remitted at Calvary and mine weren't .... LOL.

THis must be TIC YOU know we believe sins were remitted at Calvary.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

THis must be TIC YOU know we believe sins were remitted at Calvary.

Elder look up aphesis ... call me in the morning.

[stmatthew]

Daniel.................................I'm more born again than you!!

[SDG]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Daniel.................................I'm more born again than you!!

I'm more righteous than you are ......

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Elder look up aphesis ... call me in the morning.

I have already looked it up and UNDERSTAND it. Stay around and I will explain it to you.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I have already looked it up and UNDERSTAND it. Stay around and I will explain it to you.

nah ... it's Greek to me.....

[SDG]

Are there any hard line PAJCers that believe justification is not complete until all the 3 steps are completed with remission occurring at baptism??

We haven't head from any Bernadian PAJCers ... any takers???

David Bernard, The New Birth

Since justification comes through faith, it occurs when a person fully exercises saving faith, which includes obedience to the gospel Therefore, the full work of justification comes by faith as one repents, is baptized in Jesus' name, and receives the Holy Spirit.
In I Corinthians 6:9-10 Paul listed ten categories of unrighteous people who will not inherit the kingdom of God. He continued: "And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God" (I Corinthians 6:11). In other words, justification occurred when they were baptized in Jesus' name and baptized with the Holy Spirit. Although this verse does not specifically mention the word baptism, Smith's Dictionary of the Bible explains it as referring to baptism: "It is generally believed that here is an allusion to being baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ… [T]he reference to baptism seems unquestionable." [253] A Baptist theologian asserted that, "The voice of scholarship is unanimous in affirming the association with baptism." [254]

Further examination of the purposes of repentance, water baptism, and the Spirit baptism demonstrates that the work of justification takes place in all three. At repentance, man and God begin to form a personal relationship, which lays a foundation for water and Spirit baptism. At water baptism, God remits sin (Acts 2:38), which corresponds to the first element of justification.

The Holy Spirit imparts the righteousness of Christ, for the Spirit is Christ in us: "That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit" (Romans 8:4); "But ye are not in the flesh but in the Spirit if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness" (Romans 8:9-10). The indwelling Spirit enables us to receive future salvation (Romans 8:11). Through the Spirit we qualify for God's blessings and promises (Romans 8:15-17; Galatians 3:14). In short, the baptism of the Spirit corresponds to the second element of justification.

The work of justification begins at initial repentance from sin and is completed at the time of water and Spirit baptism. Therefore, justification is instantaneous at the time of the new birth as a whole. It would be incorrect to identify justification solely with one aspect of the new birth, because the new birth must be regarded as a single whole. In one sense, however, justification is available on a continuing basis for sins committed and repented of after the new birth experience.

[TRIPLE E]

We all know that Elder Epley is right!

[TRIPLE E]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Are there any hard line PAJCers that believe justification is not complete until all the 3 steps are completed with remission occurring at baptism??

We haven't head from any Bernadian PAJCers ... any takers???

Never heard tell of a Bernadian PAJCer heard of Canadian PAJC'ers though.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by TRIPLE E

We all know that Elder Epley is right!

That avatar is down right scary!