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thephnxman · #**171** 12-22-2014, 08:26 AM

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That is a high probability...The Catholics are even baptized in the titles, both babies AND adult converts. I insist on them being re-baptized upon conversion. I insist that the baptismal candidate listen carefully of the way they are baptized, to be sure for themselves the name of Jesus was spoken during the baptism
I mean, lets' face it...some folks say, "who cares what was said during baptism"....Those folks are BIG TIME gamblers with their salvation.

Amen, Brother. Folks just don't believe they are being deceived! Many in the AoG, and other denominations, swear that they were baptized "in the name of Jesus". But eventually they say that the titles were pronounced over them. Those denominations have it backwards. The NAME of Jesus is not Father, and son, and Holy Ghost: the NAME of "...the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit...", is Jesus!

Originalist · #**172** 12-22-2014, 09:55 AM

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Amen, Brother. Folks just don't believe they are being deceived! Many in the AoG, and other denominations, swear that they were baptized "in the name of Jesus". But eventually they say that the titles were pronounced over them. Those denominations have it backwards. The NAME of Jesus is not Father, and son, and Holy Ghost: the NAME of "...the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit...", is Jesus!

They were indeed baptized in Jesus' name in that they did it as unto Jesus, or for his name's sake. And of course I'm speaking not of Catholics but rather of those who had genuine "repentance towards God, faith towards Jesus Christ."

I was rebaptized with the name being invoked over me NOT because I felt I was still in my sins or that my first baptism was invalid in God's eyes. I did so because my personal study led me to believe that if anything was said by the baptizer at all in acts, it was indeed an invocation of the name of Jesus Christ. I wanted to have practiced what I would from that time on be ministering to others. God led me to do it. That was July 2, 1980. However, to this day I see no connection between the oral invoking of the name of the baptizer some how washing away the sins of the baptizee. That is a not taught anywhere by the Apostles.

Last night I had a study with an AoG lady who has had the Holy Ghost since she was a little girl on why she should be rebaptized with the name of Jesus invoked over her. None of the reasons I gave questioned or involved her right standing with God. She is going to be rebaptized this week.

And BTW Swaggart teaches one is saved before he is Spirit baptized

Originalist · #**173** 12-22-2014, 09:56 AM

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good samaritan · #**175** 12-22-2014, 10:24 AM

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They were indeed baptized in Jesus' name in that they did it as unto Jesus, or for his name's sake. And of course I'm speaking not of Catholics but rather of those who had genuine "repentance towards God, faith towards Jesus Christ."

I was rebaptized with the name being invoked over me NOT because I felt I was still in my sins or that my first baptism was invalid in God's eyes. I did so because my personal study led me to believe that if anything was said by the baptizer at all in acts, it was indeed an invocation of the name of Jesus Christ. I wanted to have practiced what I would from that time on be ministering to others. God led me to do it. That was July 2, 1980. However, to this day I see no connection between the oral invoking of the name of the baptizer some how washing away the sins of the baptizee. That is a not taught anywhere by the Apostles.

Last night I had a study with an AoG lady who has had the Holy Ghost since she was a little girl on why she should be rebaptized with the name of Jesus invoked over her. None of the reasons I gave questioned or involved her right standing with God. She is going to be rebaptized this week.

And BTW Swaggart teaches one is saved before he is Spirit baptized

So do you believe that a literal Jesus name baptism is neccessary?

Originalist · #**176** 12-22-2014, 12:04 PM

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So do you believe that a literal Jesus name baptism is neccessary?

Why argue with scriptures like Mark 16:16? Baptism into the authority (name) of Jesus Christ is a God instituted, normative step concerning repentance towards God, faith towards Jesus Christ.

Originalist · #**177** 12-22-2014, 12:07 PM

Correction. I was re-baptized with the name of Jesus Christ invoked over me on July 2, 1992.

good samaritan · #**178** 12-22-2014, 03:20 PM

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Why argue with scriptures like Mark 16:16? Baptism into the authority (name) of Jesus Christ is a God instituted, normative step concerning repentance towards God, faith towards Jesus Christ.

I still don't understand if you believe there should be a literal invocation of the name Jesus at baptism? I get the whole authority thing, but am getting the message that the name invocation is non-essential. Heard a pastor say that you could invoke the word bubble gum and it doesn't matter. The pastor was a trinity pastor, but it made me feel like he didn't take Gods word literally.

My thoughts are if it isn't necessary then you haven't hurt anything, but if it is you risk being disobedient and missing out on your reward. The scripture literally teaches Jesus name baptism by invoking the name.

Originalist · #**179** 12-22-2014, 04:07 PM

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I still don't understand if you believe there should be a literal invocation of the name Jesus at baptism? I get the whole authority thing, but am getting the message that the name invocation is non-essential. Heard a pastor say that you could invoke the word bubble gum and it doesn't matter. The pastor was a trinity pastor, but it made me feel like he didn't take Gods word literally.

My thoughts are if it isn't necessary then you haven't hurt anything, but if it is you risk being disobedient and missing out on your reward. The scripture literally teaches Jesus name baptism by invoking the name.

Since we are being baptized into his authority, it's just a given that the one performing the baptism would invoke his name. But I do not see the invoking of the name as being what appropriates the work of the cross in baptism.

Hesetmefree238 · #**180** 12-22-2014, 06:45 PM

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Since we are being baptized into his authority, it's just a given that the one performing the baptism would invoke his name. But I do not see the invoking of the name as being what appropriates the work of the cross in baptism.

Just wondering are you UPC, Independent, etc..... I'm assuming you are a minister or pastor possibly