Is There Valid Law Authorizing Income Taxes?

[coadie]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Okay, I watched 6.5 out of 11 videos (sorry, I can't spend anymore time on it), and here's my conclusion:

Pay your taxes.

If you object, go through the existing legal/legislative system, while still keeping whatever laws are actually or presumed to be in place. If it's ever officially overturned, ask for an apology, and THEN stop paying your taxes.

I do not believe a man is exercising good judgment to engage in an activity that may potentially rob his family of their provision, by landing himself in jail, or spending huge amounts of money in court.

I do believe that the way the tax laws are presently applied, and manipulated by the IRS, is (probably) unconstitutional, but for now will go virtually unchallenged. I do agree that the IRS has too much power. But the only entities that can really do anything about reducing that power is Congress or the Supreme Court, and as long as they are all benefiting in some way from the present system, then I doubt anything will change.

I do not agree that taxation in general is illegal, or even a bad thing. Nor do I agree with the statement that "voluntary compliance" means I only have to pay taxes if I feel like it.

there are a lot of scams out there. To fail to file and do so on the basis of some junk from youtube can cost 5-6 thousand from the beginning. It is not however difficult to get a tax sympathetic jury.

[simplyme]

I don't have time to read this WHOLE THREAD, lol..but in answer to your question,


NO!

I forget all the details WHY, but there are a lot of things going on in gov't that are just not constitutional, not right..I am almost embarassed to live in this country, nothing is as it appears, nothing is as it should be., I was once a child and thought as a child...
BUT NOW?
Its depressing to find some TRUTHs, I've never taken it well, to be "bamboozled"., and thats how I feel about a lot of things, way back in jr high, I found it so intriguing how our democratic government worked, (or was supposed to work) boy was I naive!
AND it doesn't end., my son, whom is much involved in this kind of stuff, has given me umpteen cd's to watch having to do with so-called conspiracy theories? methinks that not all of it is conspiracy theory, not when facts are right in ones face! There are lots of things that happen right under our noses, and we are sooo busy with ??? that so many of our rights have been taken away., whilst we eat/drink/make merry?., aarrgghh!
'scuse my ramblins, but suffice it to say that i believe that THIS gov't we are currently under, is NOT "of the people, by the people, and for the people"
THose "people" are more than likely ALIENS from outerspace, lol
*not as far fetched as I used to think*

I shouldn't be surprised having been gifted with knowledge from on-high, that I am merely a passerby on this planet, this "reality" that is far from my ultimate 4ever with JESUS home, I will be glad when I finally return there.
Until then, its an interesting journey to say the least., an ODYSSEY of sorts.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by simplyme

I don't have time to read this WHOLE THREAD, lol..but in answer to your question,


NO!

I forget all the details WHY, but there are a lot of things going on in gov't that are just not constitutional, not right..I am almost embarassed to live in this country, nothing is as it appears, nothing is as it should be., I was once a child and thought as a child...
BUT NOW?
Its depressing to find some TRUTHs, I've never taken it well, to be "bamboozled"., and thats how I feel about a lot of things, way back in jr high, I found it so intriguing how our democratic government worked, (or was supposed to work) boy was I naive!
AND it doesn't end., my son, whom is much involved in this kind of stuff, has given me umpteen cd's to watch having to do with so-called conspiracy theories? methinks that not all of it is conspiracy theory, not when facts are right in ones face! There are lots of things that happen right under our noses, and we are sooo busy with ??? that so many of our rights have been taken away., whilst we eat/drink/make merry?., aarrgghh!
'scuse my ramblins, but suffice it to say that i believe that THIS gov't we are currently under, is NOT "of the people, by the people, and for the people"
THose "people" are more than likely ALIENS from outerspace, lol
*not as far fetched as I used to think*

I shouldn't be surprised having been gifted with knowledge from on-high, that I am merely a passerby on this planet, this "reality" that is far from my ultimate 4ever with JESUS home, I will be glad when I finally return there.
Until then, its an interesting journey to say the least., an ODYSSEY of sorts.

I agree with that last paragraph!
You should never apologize for being able to live in America.
She ain't perfect & she has her flaws but I think both her to you & Canada have been good to you and I!

There are just powers both of this world & of the next that try to take over our countries to our detriment!

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by coadie

You are correct. it is an unsigned petition.

Ron doesn't know that makes it 100% meaningless. We have no idea if it was ever even served.

Ron seemingly has a lack of understanding.

Not to be picky but you “file” a brief with the court, you “serve” the opposing party. This one was filed with the court, he was a criminal defendant this time (he previously had tried similar briefs when suing the government, which were thrown out as frivolous) and he received a sentence of 4 years for his crimes.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Yeah, all of us who are the secret love child of imaginary celebrity unions get hassled every time we try and ride the bus or light rail. Makes it hard to find the strength to get out of the dumpster each morning. That and the Ripple. That makes it hard to do anything.

It really is amazing how many absolutely crazy briefs are filed with the court. I read one from here in DC last year where a guy in his opening paragraph referred to his wife as his property and demanded that the court order George Bush to pay him 25 million in gold. Can't remember what it was that GB was supposed to have done but it was tossed into the rejected file.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Not to be picky but you “file” a brief with the court, you “serve” the opposing party. This one was filed with the court, he was a criminal defendant this time (he previously had tried similar briefs when suing the government, which were thrown out as frivolous) and he received a sentence of 4 years for his crimes.

so Ron agrees with a criminal? 4 years. Most tax protestors and tax scams have nothing new.

[LUKE2447]

Sad, sad, sad.... THe IRS is a fraud and have little authority to do squat and compromising judges to the fraud means nothing! Get the CODE out don't point spineless judges fraud to me.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by coadie

so Ron agrees with a criminal? 4 years. Most tax protestors and tax scams have nothing new.

Just because someone is convicted doesn't mean they are guilty but found guilty in the eyes of the those who judge whether right or wrong.

[LUKE2447]

Though I don't agree with everything there is a lot of info on this site to get someone "started"!

http://famguardian.org/index.htm

and the FAQ

http://famguardian.org/FAQ/FAQ.htm

[Bowas]

No time to read all the posts and watch all the videos but there is no law that states one must be taxed on what you work for, what is commonly and incorrectly called "income" taxes.
"Income" by leagal definition is: Gain or Profit.
What we call wages is neither rather it is a fair and equal exchange of my time and knowledge. No profit is derived from my labor. If on the other hand, I invest my wages in an investment and make a gain or a profit, the profit portion is taxable as that is the lweagal definition of "income" nuff said.