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tstew · #**171** 07-08-2008, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 1399

This reminds me of the time I heard a man testify about how he wanted the Holy Ghost, prayed for the infilling, service after service after service. Then, once he shaved his beard, he was filled with the Holy Ghost.

Maybe what he says he experienced is what he experienced for real. But his testimony gives credence to the idea that somehow God favors a clean shaven man over a bearded man-- somehow that if a man shaves his face, God will hear his prayers and fill him with the Holy Ghost.

This too, is unbiblical, but passively embraced among us, Apostolics.

Maybe that's why Jesus felt like God had forsaken Him.

Rhoni · #**172** 07-08-2008, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Fact: the majority on this forum does not believe it is wrong for a woman to cut her hair. Thus any absurdity that can be associated with those who teach against women cutting their hair gets headlines here.

Bro. Epley,

Don't you think that if there were any scriptural basis for the non-cutting of hair that I would refrain from the trimming of it? Do you think it would be more balanced if those who stay away from here who are ultra-to moderately conservative were on here the threads would be any different or shorter?

I think the thread would be more judgemental and conflictual. Most of the people on this forum love God with all their hearts and only want truth. Not your truth, or another man's truth, BUT GOD'S truth.

To use the words, manipulation of the scriptures, and use the emotionality of it to persuade a UPCI single's audience, who are primarily women...that if they refrain from cutting their hair they might have a hope and a prayer to one day marry a man with "holy hands", is false doctrine and teaching.

Stay in the word. That is all any of us ask...the manmade philosophies, teachings, and traditons will pass away...but HIS word will never pass away.

Blessings,
Rhoni

Tyk · #**173** 07-08-2008, 08:25 PM

Sister Rhoni you are far from the Kingdom.....

Of man.
Congrats.

Rhoni · #**174** 07-08-2008, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyk

Sister Rhoni you are far from the Kingdom.....

Of man.
Congrats.

Tyk,

My whole life has been a journey...from religious city, trying to find the city of God. The song that I hold dear in my heart was sung by SIs. Mickey Mangun the many years I went to JCM...

When I made my start for heaven, I could only find one way.
A road that led me through the mountains and the valleys,
A road not many folks could take.

Since I started traveling on my journey,
I've covered many miles behind me...
Miles of sun and rain,miles of smiles and pain...
This road's been rough but I again would choose the same.

There are some times that the rocks hurt my feet,
My body is wet from the sweat and the heat,
My strengths completely drained until my face marks the pain,
My back is bent from the strain.

I could turn around...for the road is still there,
But every mountain that I climbed...I again would have to bare.
I really can't turn back..some may be using my tracks...
I see one more bend and it just might be this road's end.

Long and winding road...keep on leading me.
Up ahead I see a sign that points me straight ahead to victory.
I know I must be traveling right for I remember passing Calvary,
And though it's dusty and it's old...for years it's born the travelers load.
Some day this road will turn to gold...

And for some this road's already turned to gold...

BUT for ME some day this road will turn to gold.

Amen.

TRFrance · #**175** 07-08-2008, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 1399

This reminds me of the time I heard a man testify about how he wanted the Holy Ghost, prayed for the infilling, service after service after service. Then, once he shaved his beard, he was filled with the Holy Ghost.

Maybe what he says he experienced is what he experienced for real. But his testimony gives credence to the idea that somehow God favors a clean shaven man over a bearded man-- somehow that if a man shaves his face, God will hear his prayers and fill him with the Holy Ghost.

This too, is unbiblical, but passively embraced among some of us, Apostolics.

Yup.
I guess the fact that many godly men found in the Bible (like Aaron, Ezra, David, Ezekiel, & Jesus) had beards means little to these people.

Sam · #**176** 07-08-2008, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 1399

This reminds me of the time I heard a man testify about how he wanted the Holy Ghost, prayed for the infilling, service after service after service. Then, once he shaved his beard, he was filled with the Holy Ghost.

Maybe what he says he experienced is what he experienced for real. But his testimony gives credence to the idea that somehow God favors a clean shaven man over a bearded man-- somehow that if a man shaves his face, God will hear his prayers and fill him with the Holy Ghost.

This too, is unbiblical, but passively embraced among some of us, Apostolics.

Reminds me of a story I heard.
A woman received the Holy Ghost Baptism and was later standing at the altar rejoicing and praising God. Some good sister came up to her, put her hand on her shoulder and said, "If you'd take off that wedding ring, God might give you the Holy Ghost."

Sam · #**177** 07-08-2008, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance

Yup.
I guess the fact that many godly men found in the Bible (like Aaron, Ezra, David, Ezekiel, & Jesus) had beards means little to these people.

and do you actually believe those hairy, unshaven men were saved?

Sweet Pea · #**178** 07-08-2008, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 1399

This reminds me of the time I heard a man testify about how he wanted the Holy Ghost, prayed for the infilling, service after service after service. Then, once he shaved his beard, he was filled with the Holy Ghost.

Maybe what he says he experienced is what he experienced for real. But his testimony gives credence to the idea that somehow God favors a clean shaven man over a bearded man-- somehow that if a man shaves his face, God will hear his prayers and fill him with the Holy Ghost.

This too, is unbiblical, but passively embraced among some of us, Apostolics.

Is is possible that he wasn't saying that God favors a clean-shaven man over a bearded man - but that his beard was hindering himself. Maybe it was a matter of pride? - OR a sign of rebellion in his own life?

I don't believe facial hair is wrong - but I have personally known men who acknowledged they couldn't wear it - because of how it affected them spiritually ....

Ferd · #**179** 07-08-2008, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 1399

This reminds me of the time I heard a man testify about how he wanted the Holy Ghost, prayed for the infilling, service after service after service. Then, once he shaved his beard, he was filled with the Holy Ghost.

Maybe what he says he experienced is what he experienced for real. But his testimony gives credence to the idea that somehow God favors a clean shaven man over a bearded man-- somehow that if a man shaves his face, God will hear his prayers and fill him with the Holy Ghost.

This too, is unbiblical, but passively embraced among some of us, Apostolics.

or more likely that beard was either an idol for this man, a point of vanity, or it represented something that God wanted him personally to deal with.

I personally oppose any and all rules anyone would have against beards. there is more bible for us all having beards down to our belly buttons!

Ferd · #**180** 07-08-2008, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tstew

Does anyone have many more names besides LS in the org. who have taught this to this degree? I still think that this is being blown way out of proportion and that the predictions as to what this will do to the org. are being overstated.
What also concerns me is that in these discussions I am hearing the same kind of overstated extremes that I here in political debates. I have certainly never heard hair presented as a substitute for all of the other things that the Bible instruct us to live by.
I have heard plenty teaching to our women about Godly character, and how to be a woman of God in and out of the home. Stating things in such extremes just clouds the issue and makes meaningful, effective discussion that may actually go somewhere impossible.
As it stands, I feel like I'm on about day four in Ground Hog Day

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Thank you. My thoughts exactly. I NEVER heard this preached.

I believe you have been given the names of 2 people who have written books. Both are very much in demand at distict ladies conferences (thus recieveing validation from DSs all over the org. )

in addition, And article written by an associate pastor of Brother Blackshere (?) was published in the UPCIs main mag.

I think that suggests this has a clear acceptance around the organization at the highest level.