Why do YOU believe the Bible? - Page 18

ReformedDave · #**171** 03-23-2007, 10:17 PM

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That makes two of us.

Thanks for the convo, Dave. I'll just go on back to strugglin' with presenting the Gospel to those in my path. Can I call on you if I lose one or two in a row?

Just try Acts 17 and take a class in listening and comprehension.

OGIA · #**172** 03-23-2007, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave

Just try Acts 17 and take a class in listening and comprehension.

Thanks! I'll put the Holy Ghost on the shelf while I'm at it, too.

I hope to be able to give you a wonderful report some time in the future!!!

ReformedDave · #**173** 03-23-2007, 10:32 PM

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Thanks! I'll put the Holy Ghost on the shelf while I'm at it, too.

If you think I espouse that you really haven't been listening.............

OGIA · #**174** 03-23-2007, 10:34 PM

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If you think I espouse that you really haven't been listening.............

You ever listen to yourself? I seem to be the only one left wasting time here. Seems you ran everyone else off, seeing how they didn't measure up to your idea of what God deserves. Like I said, all those souls won musta been by luck.

ReformedDave · #**175** 03-23-2007, 10:38 PM

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You ever listen to yourself? I seem to be the only one left wasting time here. Seems you ran everyone else off, seeing how they didn't measure up to your idea of what God deserves. Like I said, all those souls won musta been by luck.

Nope. A sovereign God saves whom He wills and He demands we thinks according to His dictates. If we choose not to He can even use donkeys.

OGIA · #**176** 03-23-2007, 10:50 PM

Glad you've been Reformed, Dave. I'll stick to a tried-and-true delivery based on solid scriptural teaching from a man of God of over 40 years. Thanks for trying, though.

ReformedDave · #**177** 03-23-2007, 10:52 PM

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Glad you've been Reformed, Dave. I'll stick to a tried-and-true delivery based on solid scriptural teaching from a man of God of over 40 years. Thanks for trying, though.

And what would that be????????

mizpeh · #**178** 03-24-2007, 08:48 PM

RD,

Why do you believe the Bible and how does your belief play a part in your apologetics of the Bible's truth?

I read the article you posted. I have a couple of questions about the letter Dr Bahnsen wrote.

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but begin with the Word of God and all of life makes sense, every question has an answer (by which I do not mean a "pat" answer!), and intellectual credence can be maintained

1)Once a person comes to believe in Christ then by faith in the Word of God, the believer is able to presuppose a Biblical worldview. How can a nonbeliever come to believe the Word of God is true? He just doesn't all of a sudden presuppose it. And how can we based upon our presupposition of biblical world view convince a nonbeliever that we have the truth. Don't all the other religions hold the same of their faiths'? How is the argument on presupposition superior to evidential or experiencein this regard?

2) This internal revelation which every man has been given inherently by God as Dr. Bahnsen understands from the book of Romans, what or where do you think this revelation lies within us? Is it placed in each of our consciences by God? See the quotes below:

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Paul says that God has revealed it to them (all of them!), and not left it up to natural theology or philosophic argumentation; they know the truth about God inherently and confront it everywhere they look around their environment: natural, social, psychological.

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And because of their sin (which to recognize would entail too much emotional trauma and changing of one's ways of life and thinking) they push down that revelation, putting a pseudo-god in the Creator's place (e.g. self-reliance, finances, intellectual prowess, etc.).

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Yet without that revelation from God there would be no connection between the particulars of experience and the principles of logic, no uniformity to be discerned in nature, no harmony between the one and the many (unity and diversity), etc., etc

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that which begins with the autonomous truths of men rebelling against God's truthful revelation about and within them,

mizpeh · #**179** 03-25-2007, 01:00 PM

RD,

In chuch this morning as I was listening to the word of God being preached, I thought about what I wrote in the last post. Even though I don't think my intelligence or anyone else's in explaining the world around us with the wisdom that God gives us through the knowledge of his word can change or convince a person as to the truth of the Bible, I do believe that is the best way to go in trying to win a soul to the Lord. If we use the word of God as our basis for truth (which it is) God will not let his word fall to the ground but will cause something to happen even in an unbelieving heart.

Psalm 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. 8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes. 9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. 10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.

ReformedDave · #**180** 03-25-2007, 01:43 PM

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RD,

In chuch this morning as I was listening to the word of God being preached, I thought about what I wrote in the last post. Even though I don't think my intelligence or anyone else's in explaining the world around us with the wisdom that God gives us through the knowledge of his word can change or convince a person as to the truth of the Bible, I do believe that is the best way to go in trying to win a soul to the Lord. If we use the word of God as our basis for truth (which it is) God will not let his word fall to the ground but will cause something to happen even in an unbelieving heart.

Psalm 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. 8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes. 9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. 10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.

I absolutly agree. If we use the type of argumentation that God gives in His word it will do the Job He intends. I'm at work but will answer your good questions tomorrow.