Should we still observe the sabbath?

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Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

The 7th day is on Sunday.

Just take another look at the month of August…..

Amen! LOL

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

The 7th day is on Sunday.

Just take another look at the month of August…..

[Esaias]

Does anyone here actually believe nobody knows what day the Sabbath is?

1. It doesn't matter what a person personally thinks it is or ought to be, mere usage doesn't determine truth. What matters is what day does God identify as the Sabbath day.

2. God showed Israel which day is the Sabbath during the Exodus by raining manna for six days with a double portion for the 6th day so they could identify the seventh day Sabbath.

3. There is no record anybody forgot which day of the week that was.

4. Jesus never sinned, therefore He kept the Sabbath. The day He recognized as the Sabbath was the same day all 1st century Judeans and Greek God-fearers recognized as the Sabbath.

5. He rose on the first day of the week, the day after the Sabbath.

6. The first day of the week has been continuously recognized as what we call Sunday, from the first century until now.

7. Therefore, the day before Sunday is the seventh day of the week, the Sabbath day.

8. The Biblical day begins at evening and goes from evening to evening. This has never been disputed.

9. The change from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian calendar did not affect the days of the week, only the numbering of days in the month in which the change occurred.

10. Most European languages call Saturday "Sabbath", further confirming the location of the seventh day of the week.

Therefore, the Sabbath day is the day BEFORE Sunday, extending from what we call Friday evening to Saturday evening.

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Does anyone here actually believe nobody knows what day the Sabbath is?

1. It doesn't matter what a person personally thinks it is or ought to be, mere usage doesn't determine truth. What matters is what day does God identify as the Sabbath day.

2. God showed Israel which day is the Sabbath during the Exodus by raining manna for six days with a double portion for the 6th day so they could identify the seventh day Sabbath.

3. There is no record anybody forgot which day of the week that was.

4. Jesus never sinned, therefore He kept the Sabbath. The day He recognized as the Sabbath was the same day all 1st century Judeans and Greek God-fearers recognized as the Sabbath.

5. He rose on the first day of the week, the day after the Sabbath.

6. The first day of the week has been continuously recognized as what we call Sunday, from the first century until now.

7. Therefore, the day before Sunday is the seventh day of the week, the Sabbath day.

8. The Biblical day begins at evening and goes from evening to evening. This has never been disputed.

9. The change from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian calendar did not affect the days of the week, only the numbering of days in the month in which the change occurred.

10. Most European languages call Saturday "Sabbath", further confirming the location of the seventh day of the week.

Therefore, the Sabbath day is the day BEFORE Sunday, extending from what we call Friday evening to Saturday evening.

How does your regular Sabbath look like? What do you do that day?

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Does anyone here actually believe nobody knows what day the Sabbath is?

1. It doesn't matter what a person personally thinks it is or ought to be, mere usage doesn't determine truth. What matters is what day does God identify as the Sabbath day.

The Bible says the seventh day (not Saturday). Just because our calendars place the blocks in the order they do, doesn’t validate that it has always been historically so. The Hebrew months are not the same as ours, how can we be sure the days would are? A person would have to do some extensive study to come to a conclusion, and it isn’t cut and dry.

2. God showed Israel which day is the Sabbath during the Exodus by raining manna for six days with a double portion for the 6th day so they could identify the seventh day Sabbath.

Which were a shadow of things to come.

3. There is no record anybody forgot which day of the week that was.

Only, we don’t even use a Hebrew calendar. We use the more pagan calendar. Is it even possible to be a continuing undisrupted calendar week from creation. I have helped see after elderly people who no longer even know what day of the week it is because all days are the same for people who don’t work or go to school.

4. Jesus never sinned, therefore He kept the Sabbath. The day He recognized as the Sabbath was the same day all 1st century Judeans and Greek God-fearers recognized as the Sabbath

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Jesus was living under Mosaic laws, but he never reprimanded his disciples for gathering food on the Sabbath which was a clear violation of the law. Note: Jesus didn’t gather, but it was his disciples.

5. He rose on the first day of the week, the day after the Sabbath.

Which is why some advocate Sunday. Although, Saturday and Sunday is not even mentioned in the Bible.

6. The first day of the week has been continuously recognized as what we call Sunday, from the first century until now.

The Bible doesn’t validate that because they didn’t use our modern calendars.

7. Therefore, the day before Sunday is the seventh day of the week, the Sabbath day.

That is, only if Sunday truly aligned with their first day of the week.

8. The Biblical day begins at evening and goes from evening to evening. This has never been disputed.

How many people today would know this? Our calendars does not change until 12:00am. If people work second shift Friday nights, they would have to quit or go to hell.

9. The change from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian calendar did not affect the days of the week, only the numbering of days in the month in which the change occurred.

I have not studied this out so I trust you have, but that was my point. People have to do diligence to make sure that such a rule is accurately kept.

10. Most European languages call Saturday "Sabbath", further confirming the location of the seventh day of the week.

Therefore, the Sabbath day is the day BEFORE Sunday, extending from what we call Friday evening to Saturday evening.

I personally believe you are correct on you your belief of the Saturday sabbath (it is the most simplistic conclusion). Although, the scripture leads me to believe that the Sabbath was a shadow of things to come and no longer a rule to follow.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

The Bible says the seventh day (not Saturday). Just because our calendars place the blocks in the order they do, doesn’t validate that it has always been historically so.

The day known Biblically as the Sabbath coincided with what the Romans called the Day of Saturn (Saturday).

I just PROVED it in my post. Universal skepticism is unchristian and atheistic. Simply asserting "I don't believe it" is hardly a rebuttal, much less a refutation.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by coksiw

How does your regular Sabbath look like? What do you do that day?

We have church. We take a break from our ordinary labour. We enjoy the day that the Lord has made.

What do you do that day?

[Esaias]

Anybody else in this thread seriously thinking we've lost track of the days of the week?

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by Esaias

We have church. We take a break from our ordinary labour. We enjoy the day that the Lord has made.

What do you do that day?

I don't observe the Sabbath day, but I was curious how you actually observe it.

Originally Posted by Esaias

Anybody else in this thread seriously thinking we've lost track of the days of the week?

The Sabbath day is Friday evening to Saturday evening. Clear as water to me.

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Context of Galatians Part 3
Mixing Paganism with Law or Law with Grace

Through the law to be dead to the Law. What did Paul mean? Why none of this chat about paganism, and all Law, if the Colossians were reverting to paganism?

And to show the continued emphasis upon law, and not paganism at all, Paul ads to the thought of death to the Law.

Galatians 2:19-21 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. (20) I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. (21) I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Paul is speaking about law and justification by works. Law was clearly a means to live by doing works, according to Leviticus 18:5, a detail that law-keepers fail to follow contextually. Paul had to be crucified with Jesus. Only resurrection life can hep mankind, seeing as living by the Law will only lead to death. Frustrating the grace of God indicates that Paul lived by grace, and he addressed those who believed in the New Covenant but would frustrate it with law. This is again a powerful confirmation that Galatians is NOT about mixing paganism with Law, but mixing Law with Grace. He did not say that there was an issue of frustrating the grace of God with paganism, as would have to have been the case if it is true that Galatians was about reverting to paganism.

It must seriously be recognized that nothing about paganism was mentioned in the first two introductory chapters to these people. Just Law.

Observing the law would be frustrating the grace of God. And Paul noted the thought of attaining righteousness by the law, and how futile that would be, to say the least. Christ would not have died if one could live by the Law.

Then we come into chapter 3.

Law is once again the problem.

Galatians 3:1-5 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? (2) This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? (3) Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? (4) Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. (5) He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Paul did not directly speak to the Galatians and their error until Chapter 3. He introduced his rebuke to them with the first two chapters and the problem that one will have with Keeping the Law. Not a word about paganism.

Walking after the flesh according to the references in Romans is trying to serve God by law-keeping, and the same point is raised in this epistle. Paul equated being made perfect by the flesh with receiving the Spirit by Law and performing wonders by works of the the Law.

The law continued to be the topic of discussion as we read about Abraham.

Galatians 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

This thought is connected to the previous verses that stated that the Spirit was received by faith as well as miraculous feats that believers perform. Those truths are confirmed by the same principle we can see in Abraham’s means of being made righteous. All agree that Paul preached against using works of the law to make ourselves justified and righteous. No one here disagrees with that. However, it must be pointed out that the controversy in this discussion is the major problem of the Galatians. Law-keepers claim that it was mixing Law with Paganism, and yet NOTHING I the entire context SO FAR so much as hints at paganism.

Abraham simply believed God’s word about the promise, and God deemed him to be righteous as a result.

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