Terrorist Attacks In Paris

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by n david

There is no moral equivalency between these terrorists and Moses, Samuel, Joshua or David.

None.

This should be roundly condemned.

1What is the source of wars and fights among you? Don't they come from the cravings that are at war within you?

11Don't criticize one another, brothers. He who criticizes a brother or judges his brother criticizes the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge.

12There is one lawgiver and judge who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

[n david]

Originally Posted by shazeep

1What is the source of wars and fights among you? Don't they come from the cravings that are at war within you?

11Don't criticize one another, brothers. He who criticizes a brother or judges his brother criticizes the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge.

12There is one lawgiver and judge who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

Yeah, these terrorists are NOT my brothers, but thanks for trying!

I bet you equate Jihadi John and Bin Laden to Moses, Joshua, Samuel and David, too.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by n david

Yeah, these terrorists are NOT my brothers, but thanks for trying!

I bet you equate Jihadi John and Bin Laden to Moses, Joshua, Samuel and David, too.

Love your enemies?

Remember what Brother Stoneking said about Brother CP Thomas converting Bin Laden's wives who are now One God Evangelists. Brother CP Thomas preached JESUS!

[n david]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Love your enemies?

Remember what Brother Stoneking said about Brother CP Thomas converting Bin Laden's wives who are now One God Evangelists. Brother CP Thomas preached JESUS!

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by n david

Yeah, these terrorists are NOT my brothers, but thanks for trying!

I bet you equate Jihadi John and Bin Laden to Moses, Joshua, Samuel and David, too.

i can't argue that Islam is as corrupted by Law as Christianity is, no. But i can argue that the "terrorists" are your brothers, when you justify war with them. And who could blame you, as they are, most definitely, coming to get you, nd. You will obviously need more guns, more bombs, and more drones.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by n david

Good grief.

I have nothing to say to anyone who wishes to try and compare what the Jews did in the OT to what an evil terrorist is doing now. There's no comparison. It's as though you're trying to legitimize what these terrorists are doing because, well, Jews killed entire cities of people.

That's incredibly awful and I'm done.

I don't believe this is the intent of anyone here.
The OT is often criticized by atheists of genocide. That is the only point - I think.

Others are concerned about "Freedom of Religion".

Both have a point to make. It doers not legitimize either the Koran or terrorism. It is simply stating a fact. I disagree with the atheists as much as I disagree with Muslims who try to make a false moral equivalency.

IMO God, in the OT used Israel as an instrument of justice. Previously He used a:
Flood
Confusion of Language
Fire and Brimstone - Sodom and Gomorrah

Lastly the nation of Israel - they had to wait until the iniquity of the Amorites was full.

Muhammad indiscriminately slaughtered people for not bowing down to him. There is a huge difference between this and the OT. Still the critics will claim otherwise. The OT did have instances where the Israelite's were told to kill everything.

As Christians we must be able to explain the differences and bring the critics to the NT and Jesus Christ.
Christ never killed a soul.
Muhammad murdered thousands.

Jesus never raped a woman.
Muhammad sanctified the raping of women.

On and on the differences go...

[shazeep]

you cannot prove that Muhammad did any of those things--that is just your programming talking.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Are you kidding me? Wait, you're not kidding...



I am not talking about 'errors and mistakes' that are to be expected. I am talking about evidence conveniently disappearing, witnesses amazingly showing up dead shortly after certain events, drills taking place at the same time and in the same locations as certain 'horrible events', normal security measures conveniently and suddenly and inexplicably lapsing just in time for the 'event' and explanations either not forthcoming at all or perhaps a shrugging of the shoulders and a 'oops' being offered along with 'fixes' being put in place that are conveniently a little step or two closer to what used to be called 'communist, nazi, fascist, monarchist tyranny 1984 style', you know, stuff like that.

Oh, and the existence of 'crisis actors' (whole companies devoted to such things!) who are contracted with the federal government for the express purpose of creating 'realistic training scenarios' and even briefing materials for the participants and local news media that specifically state the training episode will include 'simulated news coverage' in order to make everything as 'realistic' as possible, included ongoing media participation AFTER the training drill is completed, amazingly coincidental synchronisms of certain people in various different events (what are the chances? Go figure!), lack of evidence being presented, crime scenes being almost immediately bulldozed and 'cleaned up' contrary to all known and established forensic procedures, characters showing up on the news as 'experts' who it is discovered later on don't even 'exist' as whoever they were claimed to be, 'crazy shooters' who seem to have no existence for years prior to their going off the wagon, said crazy people almost always having a connection to either military or other federal government psychiatric experiemental programs or persons involved in such programs (Columbine? Hello? Hello?), yada yada yada....



Why is that crazy? I mean REALLY, stop and ask yourself, 'Why do I immediately believe this is crazy?' A group of Masons plotting horrible crimes vs a group of Muslims plotting horrible crimes.... why is one crazy but the other is absolutely believable? And why is one poo-pooed by both government and media - a government and media that have proven they are untrustworthy, have an agenda, are opposed to actually telling the truth about anything they speak about, etc, and the other is unanimously promoted by the same groups as the uncontestable truth... and what is promoted as truth is conveniently good for BUSINESS and just coincidently (wow, whodathunkit?) profitable for said groups, and actually is profiting them financially?



Do you realise that your 'simplest theory' is actually the most unrealistic and does not fit the known facts? Hey, here's a meme that actually makes a good point about that:

I just think that falls under the heading of "Bunk", the same heading for most of the 9/11 conspiracy theories which are fabrications or distortions. Its the kind of information you can only find in facebook Memes, conspiracy theoriest websites or bloggers.

No, think you think it's the most unrealistic and does not fit the known facts.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by shazeep

you cannot prove that Muhammad did any of those things--that is just your programming talking.

Read the Hadiths.

He gave consent and approval to assassinate those that argued against him

He approved of adultery as long as it was with a slave

He ordered the slaughter of whole towns, except women and children who were taken as slaves

I can PROVE it, but I doubt you will read it

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shazeep

you cannot prove that Muhammad did any of those things--that is just your programming talking.

Shaz, you don't know that Muhammad took a little girl while she was still playing with dolls as his wife? She was 9 years old. What about the killing of Umm Qirfa by tying her to two camels? Then quartering and beheading the body? This isn't programming bud, this is recorded history in Islam. I don't understand how you can read the Koran and not see how Muhammad's attitude change from the portions which were written in Mecca, to the portions which were written in Medina. Yet, with all that being said, I still believe that not every Muslim is running around looking to tie little old ladies to camels, or get married to children. All religions have blood in the past, even in their present, but one must keep in mind we cannot take a broad brush, because religions are made up of people. Those people, run from mild to wild, and you know that as well as I. You accuse Christians of running the Media, so you are just as guilty as someone who would say that all Muslim soccer moms want to blow up town hall after they drop their children home from band practice.