Television Issue!

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

You know what is really precious? These people that left the UPC who say they have no axes to grind, no stones to throw lol....yeah right

and the moaning and griping about how you were treated?

I suppose that's your justification. I was treated bad so Im gonna treat every other "UPCer" bad

do you have an axe to grind against ex UPCers because seems to me you are grinding an axe against them. I mean judging from how you judge that they have axes to grind then its only a fair judgement to say you have an axe to grind against them too.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

I think you are the one who started the personal attacks.
I thought we were having a discussion regarding tv.
And learning a little about each other in the process.
You are the one who started shouting hypocrite.
And calling my sons hypocrites.
Ridiculous.
Now, I've got a busy evening ahead.
Later.

Later, Bro! Have a good night! I'm outta here, too!

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

A cult is when you, blindly, agree with everything, don't you think?

Signing your name to something saying you believe it and will teach it and then not teaching it and re-signing your name to it every two years sounds more cultish to me than just not signing the thing...

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I view that as agreeing with most of the statement, especially, the plan of salvation. I don't think you have to agree with all of it to sign it. It's the same as a Congressman putting his vote on a bill, IMO.. He signs it for the greater good of the bill. The plan of salvation trumps the "tv" or "uncut hair" issue for me.

Not at ALL the same thing. The Congressman is agreeing to pass a bill, even if he doesn't agree with all of it.

The whole point of the Affirmation statement is: I Agree.

My mind is BLOWN AWAY by all of the preachers who sign that and don't abide by it. I'm sorry, but I don't have respect for anyone who does that.

If I sign that I AGREE with something, I'm going to AGREE with every single bit of it, or I'm not going to sign it. To do otherwise is lying.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by unitedpraise10

Believe me buddy!! A lot has changed since 1993. You obviously don't have you information straight!

Hogwash. The things I'm talking about haven't changed one bit. Not one single word of either the affirmation statement (sworn oath) or that particular section of the Articles of Faith has been change......BUDDY.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Signing your name to something saying you believe it and will teach it and then not teaching it and re-signing your name to it every two years sounds more cultish to me than just not signing the thing...

Do you believe and agree with every rule a place of employment puts on you? Do you agree with every rule someone has at their private home? Do you think that every person in any organization believes and agrees with everything their church teaches?

When I was a Catholic the women got tired of wearing the veil on their heads. They ended up relaxing the rule because people stopped cooperating. Same thing, IMO.

You want us to change, but you want us to also comply. Which do you really want?

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by jfrog

That's great. Now if only yall's oaths or should I say your UPC leader's and pastor's oaths could be taken seriously!

That's exactly right, jfrog. They SWEAR ON AN OATH that they'll do certain things and guess what......they break their sworn oaths. Something is terribly wrong with that. The slithering I'm seeing, trying to justify such horrific disobedience and breaking of covenants is one of the most awful things I've read on AFF.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by unitedpraise10

I was told from a reliable source (an employee of WEC), that the UPCI manual will change with the next few years. Many things will be omitted. I live and attend church in the St. Louis area!

That's fantastic!!! When it does, go have all the liberty you want and I'll cheer you on. Until then??? OBEY!!!

[*AQuietPlace*]

I could probably attend a church where I didn't agree with every guideline. But if I was required to sign a paper stating that I agreed with every guideline, and I didn't agree..... nope. Not happening.

[unitedpraise10]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Hogwash. The things I'm talking about haven't changed one bit. Not one single word of either the affirmation statement (sworn oath) or that particular section of the Articles of Faith has been change......BUDDY.

The words haven't changed, but the church has changed! BUDDY!