Do Your Kids Dress Like Bankers?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Sherri

PO-- while I agree with some of what you've saying, please don't be hard on Lisa. Until you've been there, you can't imagine the emotions you go through when you leave the thing you've been raised in all your life, especially when you've been taught that leaving will basically mean you won't be saved. It's hard to go against the trend and step out into something new, no matter what it is. But when it concerns eternity, and the eternity of your children, it's really hard. You have to KNOW THAT YOU KNOW that it's the right decision, and that only comes with much prayer and fasting.

But once you've made that choice, it doesn't mean that a piece of your heart doesn't remain with the ones that you've left. UPC is so much a part of who I am, because they are the ones who introduced me to the power of God and brought me to salvation. I will always honor them for that. But that doesn't mean that I am going to agree with them on many things. Some people think that I don't have a right to speak up about anything in the organization since I've left, but I don't see it that way. There's still alot of my heart that is connected. And I guess that's why lots of us hang out on these forums.

Hope that makes sense!!!

Thank you, Sherri. If I have been hard on her, then I'm sorry.

When I read posts like these, threads like these, I think of all that we have been through (not anything on the level of things that Jesus suffered), but we've been through a lot!

I've seen God move, answer our prayers, uphold us, honor us, move mountains and cause us to continue standing, walking, believing......

I look and see people say things about the very ones that I pray for and with. People I fellowship and worship with. People who, in their hearts, want to feel God's presence more than anything. Who want God to help them "want" to be less carnal and be more like HIM.

I then become annoyed and a little angry. We are ALL frail and in need of God. We cannot make it without Him. How can we point fingers and talk about things and people like this when we know that? I just don't get it.

I'm not above mistakes and temptations. I've come out of personal prayer times saying, "Thank you, God, for allowing me to pray today."

I think, including myself, we need to do better than this. For the sake of the Kingdom. I have to start with myself. I joke around a lot on this forum, but I'm like everyone else - I just want God more than anything. I'm no different than anyone else.

The only thing we can do is follow, for ourselves, the direction God has placed in our lives. If we have a heart like Abraham and follow, even in the times we don't understand, we will make it!

[Whole Hearted]

I am so thankful for the group I fellowship. They still hold to the old values.

The youth camp we attend is still one of respect. The dress during the day is a little casual (dressy compared to the UPC youth camps I have attended). The night services are dressy. The Young men wear suits and ties and the girls dress very nice and godly. Girls are even required to wear hose to the night services.

My daughter is already planning for camp. She is very carefully picking out her clothing. Dressy causual (high hells and hose even) for the day and as some would say pulling out all the stops for night. She will be wearing nice suits.

My son is also getting ready making sure all his suits are ready to go.


Thank God for good kids who done want to dress like bums.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

I am so thankful for the group I fellowship. They still hold to the old values.

The youth camp we attend is still one of respect. The dress during the day is a little casual (dressy compared to the UPC youth camps I have attended). The night services are dressy. The Young men wear suits and ties and the girls dress very nice and godly. Girls are even required to wear hose to the night services.

My daughter is already planning for camp. She is very carefully picking out her clothing. Dressy causual (high hells and hose even) for the day and as some would say pulling out all the stops for night. She will be wearing nice suits.

My son is also getting ready making sure all his suits are ready to go.


Thank God for good kids who done want to dress like bums.

Kind of an early summer camp for the kids to be packing already.

Also, that's kind of a harsh thing to say, "like bums." The context of your post makes it appear that you have some very real disdain for "the UPC youth camps I have attended." Those UPC kids are all bums, ya know?

[Fiyahstarter]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

I don't necessarily think this is so much about dressing up, though, as just the whole Pentecostal culture. It can feel very exclusive.

These are my thoughts too.

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

I am so thankful for the group I fellowship. They still hold to the old values.

The youth camp we attend is still one of respect. The dress during the day is a little casual (dressy compared to the UPC youth camps I have attended). The night services are dressy. The Young men wear suits and ties and the girls dress very nice and godly. Girls are even required to wear hose to the night services.

My daughter is already planning for camp. She is very carefully picking out her clothing. Dressy causual (high hells and hose even) for the day and as some would say pulling out all the stops for night. She will be wearing nice suits.

My son is also getting ready making sure all his suits are ready to go.


Thank God for good kids who done want to dress like bums.

Well, that's all fine and good if that's what your kids want. But what about kids who cannot afford to "pull out all the stops"? It seems to be exclusive, if new people or poor people can't fit in. Sorry, but that's just my opinion.

And by the way, our young people do NOT dress like bums, but they do dress casually. They are usually in jeans and shirts or sweaters. The poor and the wealthy all blend together, and I love it.

And guess what? We still hold to the "old values" of the Bible too - modesty, moderation, love, joy, long-suffering, etc. Those old values just don't tell us what we have to look like. We just teach our bunch to dress to please God and they don't worry about pleasing men or fitting in.

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Thank you, Sherri. If I have been hard on her, then I'm sorry.

When I read posts like these, threads like these, I think of all that we have been through (not anything on the level of things that Jesus suffered), but we've been through a lot!

I've seen God move, answer our prayers, uphold us, honor us, move mountains and cause us to continue standing, walking, believing......

I look and see people say things about the very ones that I pray for and with. People I fellowship and worship with. People who, in their hearts, want to feel God's presence more than anything. Who want God to help them "want" to be less carnal and be more like HIM.

I then become annoyed and a little angry. We are ALL frail and in need of God. We cannot make it without Him. How can we point fingers and talk about things and people like this when we know that? I just don't get it.

I'm not above mistakes and temptations. I've come out of personal prayer times saying, "Thank you, God, for allowing me to pray today."

I think, including myself, we need to do better than this. For the sake of the Kingdom. I have to start with myself. I joke around a lot on this forum, but I'm like everyone else - I just want God more than anything. I'm no different than anyone else.

The only thing we can do is follow, for ourselves, the direction God has placed in our lives. If we have a heart like Abraham and follow, even in the times we don't understand, we will make it!

You know I love you, PO! I believe you're a true servant of God who wants nothing but to please Him and you're very passionate about it.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

I am so thankful for the group I fellowship. They still hold to the old values.

The youth camp we attend is still one of respect. The dress during the day is a little casual (dressy compared to the UPC youth camps I have attended). The night services are dressy. The Young men wear suits and ties and the girls dress very nice and godly. Girls are even required to wear hose to the night services.

My daughter is already planning for camp. She is very carefully picking out her clothing. Dressy causual (high hells and hose even) for the day and as some would say pulling out all the stops for night. She will be wearing nice suits.

My son is also getting ready making sure all his suits are ready to go.


Thank God for good kids who done want to dress like bums.

You've just proved FB's point and verified the concerns of those who feel that some in the UPC tend to be exclusive. Or have you left the UPC?

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

You've just proved FB's point and verified the concerns of those who feel that some in the UPC tend to be exclusive. Or have you left the UPC?

Uhhhh....he is one of the people that thinks UPC is too liberal.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

Dressy causual (high hells and hose even) for the day and as some would say pulling out all the stops for night. .

Now I have heard of High Church... but I would have to consult Dante on this one...

[Falla39]

In an earlier post on this thread, I mentioned the following true story:

Recently a former minister, who had backslide, took his little son with him. The boy
started dressing like Daddy and it looked like his broken-hearted mother had lost. The
father divorced his precious wife and the son chose to live with Dad and his new wife.
But after a few years, the new wife got tired of some things, divorced him and now,
since he's lost his job, has come back near the place where his former wife lives. His
older married daughter and her husband has taken him in, until he can find a job.

The boy is now a teenager and has started to come back to church with his mother,
sister & husband and their children. And he's now wearing a suit and tie, and sits over
on the left side of the church, up front, where a number of young, clean-cut young men,
in suits and ties, are worshipping,God in Spirit and in Truth.They were trained up in the
way they SHOULD GO, and now, with the Spirit of Truth in their hearts and lives.

They do it because it has become a part of WHO they are. They don't do it because
it's the thing to do, BUT because of WHO/WHOSE they are!!

Cont'd...
The young teenage boy who started coming back to church with his mother after
having lived in another state with his backslidden father, came and wanted to know
where the young people sat. I showed him. He had faded jeans, tee shirt with some-
thing printed on the front. Looked like a teen from school, etc. He looked like he felt
out of place at first as the other young men, not only my grandsons, but other young
men, were clapping, dancing and worshipping.

But the next week he came with a suit and had told his mother he wanted a suit, shirt
and tie also. It wasn't a new suit, tie or shirt but you could tell he felt so good about
himself, and he started clapping and worshipping along with the other young people.
Now you can tell in each service that he feels a part.

The alternative would have been for him to try to change the other young men to look
and be like him. He made the choice. No one else. He has been asking for prayer for his
father.
Tomorrow he will take part in the easter drama. He is like a different young man, from
the young man who came a few months ago. I believe he prayed through to the Holy
Ghost a few weeks ago also.

Romans 12:1,2 KJV

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies
a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing
of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will
of God.

Falla39