The Apostolic Welfare Culture

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

When I assisted in another assembly, it had snowed really hard one Saturday evening. Most folks called the pastor to say they couldn't make it to church, the roads were just too bad. So he cancelled church.

Sunday morning my phone rang. A group of about 50 young marrieds and their kids had decided they were going to drive the 30 miles to Art Hill in downtown St Louis to go sledding.

I went with them.

It was too dangerous to have church, but just fine to go sledding.

Just shows the mentality of many so call saints.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Yep.

I also like fantasy baseball, long walks in the country, softball, a good movie every now and then, and kissing my sweetie.

But none of that interferes with my committment to God and His body.

Yelp,you do it when your preaching ? .

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by tv1a

I don't catch the connection between my grocery buying habits and your bellyaching because you can't develop strong Christians. I never insinuated you fleece the flock and hound over them with a stick. I've found most preachers tend to blame the congregation for their underacheivement. That isn't always the case. If you believe that changing methodology is equivelent to changing the message than you need to study the ministry of Jesus, and the ministry of Paul. They were two of the best in adapting their message to the environment. Paul went as far as quoting pagan literature in his epistles and in a sermon, but the message was the same. If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always got. If you don't want to change methodolgies, don't bellyache when people go elsewhere.

The "bellyaching" wasn't directed toward my church. It was directed to welfare mentality posters on this board. Did I hit a nerve?

Save your lecture. I only take church growth advice from people who have "been there". Not some wet behind the ears preacher bashing wannabe.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Joelel

Yelp,you do it when your preaching ? .

Are you a boy or a girl?

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by Kutless

Back to the front.. Pastor Poster, I do not advocate for church hopping but sometimes there is no choice. I do think the pastor should desire to keep it somewhat interesting.

[SIZE="3"][COLOR="Red"]Those who are after the spirit will mind the things of the spirit, but those that are after the flesh will mind the things of the flesh...


If spiritual things are no longer interesting maybe you are carnal.and unevDead, boring entful are not things I want to be a part of.

If church is dead why don't you get in the prayer room and pray and worship until it breaks?

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

If church is dead why don't you get in the prayer room and pray and worship until it breacks/

Now that's a thought.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

The "bellyaching" wasn't directed toward my church. It was directed to welfare mentality posters on this board. Did I hit a nerve?

Save your lecture. I only take church growth advice from people who have "been there". Not some wet behind the ears preacher bashing wannabe.

Now statements like that is why I left the so called pentecostal apostolic church years ago.Not interested in that kind of love.

[tv1a]

I've doubled youth groups sizes in three months, children''s groups in six months... not only in attendance but with Acts 2:38 salvation... In one year 80 people got the Holy Ghost. Had record breaking attendance when in charge of attendance drives... And I'm not even a pastor. I have been blessed that my pastors have vision not 20/20 hindsight.

The people who left our church have gone to smaller "traditional" pentecostal churches. That and a few of them were prayed out of the church. That's another story...

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

The "bellyaching" wasn't directed toward my church. It was directed to welfare mentality posters on this board. Did I hit a nerve?

Save your lecture. I only take church growth advice from people who have "been there". Not some wet behind the ears preacher bashing wannabe.

[tv1a]

Don't mind him.. I pushed the wrong buttons. lol He means well.

Originally Posted by Joelel

Now statements like that is why I left the so called pentecostal apostolic church years ago.Not interested in that kind of love.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Are you a boy or a girl?

What's the differance to ya ?