CeCe Winans under fire for singing at Gay church - Page 17

NewWine · #**161** 03-04-2008, 08:06 PM

TV1A: Your responses have dodged what you said. But that is okay because there is and never will be an argument that can stand against the word.

tv1a · #**162** 03-04-2008, 08:14 PM

I beg to differ. Facts are gossip and undisciplined overweight people are more acceptable in religious circles. The theme of my posts has been to point out the ridiculous expectations of the armchair quarterbacks and their inconsistencies. I stated I would use a homosexual before a gossiper any day. Read what you want into that.

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TV1A: Your responses have dodged what you said. But that is okay because there is and never will be an argument that can stand against the word.

ReformedDave · #**163** 03-04-2008, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tv1a

It was suggested gossip was a lesser sin. I just pointed out it was often mentioned in scripture with as much intensitiy as homosexuality. Gossip is mentioned more in the Bible than homosexuality.

There are different degrees and punishments for sins. Scripture indicates such. When Scripture refers to a sin as an abomination we need to heed that.

ReformedDave · #**164** 03-04-2008, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tv1a

I beg to differ. Facts are gossip and undisciplined overweight people are more acceptable in religious circles. The theme of my posts has been to point out the ridiculous expectations of the armchair quarterbacks and their inconsistencies. I stated I would use a homosexual before a gossiper any day. Read what you want into that.

Why would you use either?

tv1a · #**165** 03-04-2008, 08:23 PM

Bingo!!!!! The light has turned on... It took a while... lol

I wouldn't go into a homosexual church to preach against homosexuality no more than I would go to a No Limits Conference and preach against the withcraft of legalism. unless directed by God.

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Why would you use either?

GodsBabyGirl · #**166** 03-04-2008, 08:41 PM

Keeping company with sinners isn't biblical???

Then how is it that Jesus ate with them? Hung out with them more than he hung out at church?

Ministered to them even!

And yes, He employed the ministry of casting out devils. That is scriptural.

How can you cast a devil out of someone if you are afraid to be around them? Yes, I use the word afraid because all this talk of not companying with homosexuals and the such is irrelevant and untrue. And not the issue....

AGAIN I reiterate....CeCe is not joining the praise and worship team and openly endorsing their lifestyle.

She is not get on that platform or any platform and concurring that is okay to remain homosexual or lesbian.

NO. She is merely going there to minister. One night.

While she sings Alabaster Box and the anointing falls, you never know. Some homosexual may get touched. A seed may actually be planted. God can speak to that lesbian as she hold hands with her partner that her lifestyle is wrong and she should repent.

No, deliverance may not take place THAT night. But a seed would be planted in the souls of many.

One plants, another waters but it is GOD who gets the increase and the glory.

Not your 'deliverance ministry' or some denomination.

That is what turn folks off. This I got the power, I got the truth attitude and mindset that makes folks who are jacked up run from the presence of God.

Because I gonna say it.

There are a lot of misrepresentatives of the Presence of God. God use us one time, God shows us something one time, God gives revelation, power and authority through our vessels a couple of times and we actually think it is about us! We forget that the treasure is in an earthen vessel and forget that we got hang ups, issues and yes, SIN, just like everybody else.....EVEN the homosexual!

So we need to repent. Yes, the chuch needs to repent. Because we make sure to make folks feel like "you will never get to the place of repentance, you aren't worthy to experience the presence of God, I am holier than you are because ...." and many equate holiness with that .........

And then we tell others who just might be led by God to not go and minister to those who are hungry for me, even though they are practicing sin!

What?

You mean to tell me that someone practicing sin just may still be hungry for God just as much, maybe even MORE, than the good ol' church folks????

Man looks at the outward appearance, but I thank God He looks at the HEART!

Maybe it is because I have been there that I can understand what is going on thru the mind of an avg homosexual or lesbian. No I don't condone the lifestyle.

But I am also aware of the fact that in addition to deliverance, in addition to ministering the Word of God, in addition to all that, and it IS necessary....

The Church needs to practice some love to these folks. Period.

They are people.

If someone's mama wasn't saved, and was a gambler, how would you think it would make that mama feel if she went to church because God was ALREADY dealing with her outside of church....only to have the preacher say some ........ like,

"You heathen gambler! You are no good and rotten low down dirty to the core! Don't come into our church with your gambling spirit! You'll corrupt the whole bunch!

You take all your cotton pickin' money that you need to buy your baby some shoes and go shoot it up at the ........ table! You going straight to helL!!!!"

Now, if this preacher is doing this by unction of the Holy Ghost, thats one thing.

But more likely than not, he wouldn't. You see, he got issues with gamblers has from a child. So now every chance he gets he goes for that gambling 'spirit.'

He misuses his authority and causes a soul to be alienated from the church or God. Because the mama believes that God doesn't love her and cannot save or deliver her because that is what she heard from the mandaGod or the womanofGod.

We gotta watch how we deal with the souls of men, folks. Because ALL souls belong to God. The homosexual one, the lesbian one, the lying preacher one,

The phoney politician one, the undercover saint one, the drug dealer, the gossiper, the rebellious.....

All of them belong to Him and He is sovereign! He will save those we least expected to be saved.

He will deliver those we least expected to be delivered.

And He will use whomever, WHEREVER, whenever, He chooses to save His souls!

ReformedDave · #**167** 03-04-2008, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GodsBabyGirl

Keeping company with sinners isn't biblical???

Then how is it that Jesus ate with them? Hung out with them more than he hung out at church?

Ministered to them even!

And yes, He employed the ministry of casting out devils. That is scriptural.

How can you cast a devil out of someone if you are afraid to be around them? Yes, I use the word afraid because all this talk of not companying with homosexuals and the such is irrelevant and untrue. And not the issue....

AGAIN I reiterate....CeCe is not joining the praise and worship team and openly endorsing their lifestyle.

She is not get on that platform or any platform and concurring that is okay to remain homosexual or lesbian.

NO. She is merely going there to minister. One night.

While she sings Alabaster Box and the anointing falls, you never know. Some homosexual may get touched. A seed may actually be planted. God can speak to that lesbian as she hold hands with her partner that her lifestyle is wrong and she should repent.

No, deliverance may not take place THAT night. But a seed would be planted in the souls of many.

One plants, another waters but it is GOD who gets the increase and the glory.

Not your 'deliverance ministry' or some denomination.

That is what turn folks off. This I got the power, I got the truth attitude and mindset that makes folks who are jacked up run from the presence of God.

Because I gonna say it.

There are a lot of misrepresentatives of the Presence of God. God use us one time, God shows us something one time, God gives revelation, power and authority through our vessels a couple of times and we actually think it is about us! We forget that the treasure is in an earthen vessel and forget that we got hang ups, issues and yes, SIN, just like everybody else.....EVEN the homosexual!

So we need to repent. Yes, the chuch needs to repent. Because we make sure to make folks feel like "you will never get to the place of repentance, you aren't worthy to experience the presence of God, I am holier than you are because ...." and many equate holiness with that .........

And then we tell others who just might be led by God to go and minister to those who are hungry for me, even though they are practicing sin!

What?

You mean to tell me that someone practicing sin just may still be hungry for God just as much, maybe even MORE, than the good ol' church folks????

Man looks at the outward appearance, but I thank God He looks at the HEART!

Maybe it is because I have been there that I can understand what is going on thru the mind of an avg homosexual or lesbian. No I don't condone the lifestyle.

But I am also aware of the fact that in addition to deliverance, in addition to ministering the Word of God, in addition to all that, and it IS necessary....

The Church needs to practice some love to these folks. Period.

They are people.

If someone's mama wasn't saved, and was a gambler, how would you think it would make that mama feel if she went to church because God was ALREADY dealing with her outside of church....only to have the preacher say some ........ like,

"You heathen gambler! You are no good and rotten low down dirty to the core! Don't come into our church with your gambling spirit! You'll corrupt the whole bunch!

You take all your cotton pickin' money that you need to buy your baby some shoes and go shoot it up at the ........ table! You going straight to helL!!!!"

Now, if this preacher is doing this by unction of the Holy Ghost, thats one thing.

But more likely than not, he wouldn't. You see, he got issues with gamblers has from a child. So now every chance he gets he goes for that gambling 'spirit.'

He misuses his authority and causes a soul to be alienated from the church or God. Because the mama believes that God doesn't love her and cannot save or deliver her because that is what she heard from the mandaGod or the womanofGod.

We gotta watch how we deal with the souls of men, folks. Because ALL souls belong to God. The homosexual one, the lesbian one, the lying preacher one,

The phoney politician one, the undercover saint one, the drug dealer, the gossiper, the rebellious.....

All of them belong to Him and He is sovereign! He will save those we least expected to be saved.

He will deliver those we least expected to be delivered.

And He will use whomever, WHEREVER, whenever, He chooses to save His souls!

The church needs to "practice love"? What does that mean to you in this context?

Exupcer · #**168** 03-04-2008, 08:55 PM

The above man stated.....

I have no fear of gays. I have several friends that are homosexual. What I do fear is the ONE Who can destroy not only my body but also my soul. What he deems as an abomination I have no right to contradict.

Do you think Cece is going to tell anybody at this church that they need to leave their lifestyle???????
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So, tell us about your 'friendship' with homosexuals. This is interesting. I have also made some new friends as of late who are gay. Why do you believe that it is OK for you to be a friend to homosexuals, several of them you are friends with you state, yet you do not believe that Jesus is a friend to them? Are you claiming to be MORE friendly than Jesus? Do you associate with those whom you believe Jesus does not? Do you accept as friends those whom God does not? Is this because you are better than God or worse than God? If you are their friend and God is not...then you are not on the same page with God, and from your ultra conservative view, would that not put your own soul in jeapordy?

What do you and your gay friends do? Explain please. We want to know, since you seem to write about this much, and have 'several' as friends. Is homosexuality something that you struggle with in secret? Just wondering, since you seem at ease with them as friends, yet struggle with religious acceptance of them. Is this a conflict between your heart and head?

chosenbyone · #**169** 03-04-2008, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Exupcer

The above man stated.....
So, tell us about your 'friendship' with homosexuals. This is interesting. I have also made some new friends as of late who are gay. Why do you believe that it is OK for you to be a friend to homosexuals, several of them you are friends with you state, yet you do not believe that Jesus is a friend to them? Are you claiming to be MORE friendly than Jesus? Do you associate with those whom you believe Jesus does not? Do you accept as friends those whom God does not? Is this because you are better than God or worse than God? If you are their friend and God is not...then you are not on the same page with God, and from your ultra conservative view, would that not put your own soul in jeapordy?

Just wondering, since you seem at ease with them as friends, yet struggle with religious acceptance of them. Is this a conflict between your heart and head?

Perhaps, the conflict originated when he left the Apostolic church and became a Presbyterian?

chosenbyone · #**170** 03-04-2008, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GodsBabyGirl

You know, Sis, that was one of the wisest responses to this fear of ministering to 'gays.'

Let me just say...

I could see if CeCe was going to join the praise and worship team at Victory or something. I lived right down the street from Victory when I lived in GA.

I inadvertantly had my daughter go to the church with a friend. The things my daughter told me she saw when she came back appalled me.

But the point is, HOW ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH WILL THE HOMOSEXUAL GET SAVED OR DELIVERED IF THE CHURCH IS TOO FREAKIN' SCARED TO MINISTER TO THEM?

You mean to tell me that gays and lesbians aren't worthy to experience the presence of God?

The redeeming power of God? The anointing that destroys the yoke of perversion off their lives?

I do believe this is why homosexuals and lesbians have congregations.

I mean if they thought they were all right, they wouldn't acknowledge a need for redemption or salvation, right?

Yes, herego, their gospel is a little perverted. Their doctrine is off.

But what we must look at is the fact that they at least WANT to go to church. They want to know that Jesus loves them.

This is what we ALL want.

Now if a homosexual cannot come to church and hear the Word of God that can save their soul...

If a lesbian cannot experience an encounter with God while under the anointing at church...

Where can they go?

Leave CeCe alone. I believe the woman is led by the Holy Ghost, and am sure she prayed about going there before she agreed to minister there.

I read through the last few pages of this thread this evening and I thought that your posts showed compassion, love and understanding that many other posts on this thread lacked. A person was more likely to except the truth of salvation from someone who took the time to be a friend and who was willing to truly minister to them. Jesus exemplified that throughout his life and ministry when he befriended the sinners even at the cost of his reputation.

I was glad to see that you got it, sister!