Where Have All The Men Gone?

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by Pragmatist

If she is trying to be the dominant one, it is her fault. If her husband is just a big wimp and she is forced to lead, it is his fault. I do think that SOME women undermine their husband, rather than affirm as the Bible commands.

Some women think they are better being the leader than their husbands and feel that is ok to be that way, even holy ghost filled women-and dont have a CLUE that they are out of order. They do not realize they are undermining their husbands-even IF he says-"STOP"-

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Jeanie

Some women think they are better being the leader than their husbands and feel that is ok to be that way, even holy ghost filled women-and dont have a CLUE that they are out of order. They do not realize they are undermining their husbands-even IF he says-"STOP"-

I observed this just last year .... the pastor would start a meeting w/ his leadership team and before you knew it his wife had the floor for the entire meeting. This has had serious effects on the church ....

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Randy,

I love you man, but this is bunk.

Submission never neutered anybody.

If you want to know what has neutered men, the spirit of Jezebel and a bunch of sissified "Jesus Boyfriend" music has done it.

OMG! No you didn't! LOL!

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I observed this just last year .... the pastor would start a meeting w/ his leadership team and before you knew it his wife had the floor for the entire meeting. This has had serious effects on the church ....

Seriously? She took over the entire meeting??? She probably didnt even realize what she did was wrong.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Jeanie

Seriously? She took over the entire meeting??? She probably didnt even realize what she did was wrong.

Well, he should have taken back the control of the meeting. My allowing her to take over he was sending a message. I'm pretty sure she knew what she was doing too.

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Randy,

I love you man, but this is bunk.

Submission never neutered anybody.

If you want to know what has neutered men, the spirit of Jezebel and a bunch of sissified "Jesus Boyfriend" music has done it.

CS,
did Jez make Ahab, or was Ahab's vacancies what attracted him to his wife?

my vote is ....the latter.

HE TOOK his wife from the family of the King of Zidonians. Pretty sure a guy would know he is playing in the 'big-leagues' when you pick from the household of a King from another people.

IMO, these 'Jez' types look for folks in misplaced roles with access or influence. I think she was the increase of what Ahab sowed.

..........

as for causality enabled by 'boyfriend' music....
I just can not give it that much potency and besides, I find a potential for a "thought-crash" in the middle of the intersection where we read that the Church is being prepared AS A BRIDE for her husband.

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

[seguidordejesus]

Check out this new thread whenyou have a chance

http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/sho...177#post320177

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Jeanie

Seriously? She took over the entire meeting??? She probably didnt even realize what she did was wrong.

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Well, he should have taken back the control of the meeting. By allowing her to take over he was sending a message. I'm pretty sure she knew what she was doing too.

All I can say is that ... there are some pastors who have abdicated even their pastoral authority to their wives ... I know scripture says that a husband and wife are one ... but give me a break.

Consequently, more and more, I'm hearing pastors calling their wives "pastors" also ....

i.e. Pastor John and Pastor Jill Smith.

This bothers me especially if the woman is not called .... or was not voted upon by a congregation ... or church board

I'm not saying a woman can't pastor, or team pastor w/ her husband ...

but to proclaim her pastor defacto as if by "right" and.... then telling a church we're now both in charge .... is terrifying and irresponsible.

It's worse if the wife pastor then seemingly becomes the one calling the shots.

[Encryptus]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

We live in a society where women are made to be "equal with men and so should have equal rights." Yet, with the advent of TV and the dumbing down of society, we have the "Al Bundy approach to women" prevalent in society today.

This is not a sensual discussion, but one of real men being real men. The Promise Keepers Movement was partially correct, that the church is in dire need of real men today. Sadly, Daniel you seem to only want to take this to the gutter.

That was uncalled for. I am the one who did the posting concerning Jewish teaching on the Song of Solomon, and the posting was NOT done in vacuum.

Read the thread RR, CS among others had denigrated these passages. They also mocked DA and said no one sings or prays it.

My post quoted serious rabbinical authority that to the contrary, religious Jews pray it (and some sing it) every Friday night as worship.

DA merely pointed out that my response to THEIR childish antics was ignored.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Encryptus

That was uncalled for. I am the one who did the posting concerning Jewish teaching on the Song of Solomon, and the posting was NOT done in vacuum.

Read the thread RR, CS among others had denigrated these passages. They also mocked DA and said no one sings or prays it.

My post quoted serious rabbinical authority that to the contrary, religious Jews pray it (and some sing it) every Friday night as worship.

DA merely pointed out that my response to THEIR childish antics was ignored.

I in no way denigrated the Song of Solomon.

It is the song of sissies I object to.