Do You Believe In Women Preachers?

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by rdp

The OT alone refers to "prophetess,"...you'll never see the term applied to anyone w/in the NT church economy [save Jezebel..."who CALLS HERSELF a prophetess" (much like some I know of today)].

Prax is saying, "Seeeeee, women 'prophesied,'...that's makes them 'Prophetesses'". Wrong, wrong, wrong......

Why do you think it's not applied to the NT (which is more broad and open to those who are able to minister, not more binding and restricting)?

And is that alone enough evidence to suggest there can be no "prophetesses" in the NT?

I get your latter point about "because a woman prophesies" she can't be a "prophet." So then, can a woman preach without being a preacher?

[Sister Alvear]

Originally Posted by rdp

The OT alone refers to "prophetess,"...you'll never see the term applied to anyone w/in the NT church economy [save Jezebel..."who CALLS HERSELF a prophetess" (much like some I know of today)].

Prax is saying, "Seeeeee, women 'prophesied,'...that's makes them 'Prophetesses'". Wrong, wrong, wrong......

so you are saying prophetesses do not exist in the NT? Strange...I have never heard that before...When Anna, a prophetess who thanked God when the Lord Jesus was brought into the temple as a baby and she recognized that He was the Messiah in Luke chapter 2 verses 36-38. Then of course Peter, on the day of Pentecost, cites Joel's prophecy that when the Holy Spirit would be poured out, we read in Acts 2 that he says: 'Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams; and on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy'. Now, Acts 21 and verse 9 seems to be a fulfilment of that quoted prophecy of Joel in Peter's Pentecost sermon, for we read there that Philip had four daughters and they were all prophetesses. We don't know much more about them, but they are designated clearly as having prophetic ministry.And we know Paul taught the correct place to prophecy is in the church so it can be judged. He taught us to desire that gift above all other gifts. He taught that gifts are for both sexes.


1 Corinthians 11 and verse 5, Paul said: 'But every woman that prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonours her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven'. So Paul indicates that prophecy was common in the New Testament church, even among women. So right away we have to lay down a foundation, and it is that we cannot deny - whether we like it or not - we cannot deny that women in the Old Testament and in the New Testament prophesied.

[Sister Alvear]

just because Jezabel was a false prophetess does not mean there were not true ones...there were false prophets also...it is our job to try the spirits and see if they are of God.
And for the record once again I am not promoting women ruling men in any way...I am just saying God can and will use a women.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Nice quotes about the gifts of the Spirit....not "preaching sermons to men"! Still waiting on you to provide the reference where a woman did this in Scripture:___________? Better go do a little more "homework"!

Nice way to ignore the arguments that refute yours

Funny...you remind me of a school-boy who tells somebody "I Know you are, but what am I!". Then goes home & puffs his chest out to tell everyone how he really showed someone up at school today !

Now, let me help you out w/ the grammar of the texts a bit: In Koine' Greek, the suffix of the terms realize the gender of the same, as you point out above. BTW, this is why Junias was a M-A-N & not a "women apostle" as some have hilariously tired to pass off. The name is a 3rd declension masculine noun [not feminine]. When it comes to Anna, you would do well to look up the literal def. of the term "prophetess"," then come back & tell us if this says anything about a "Minister/Preacher"! O' & spare me the obsolte Young's too [who adamantly believed in 'women preacher's'.

Now, since you have not filled in one single blank asking you to demonstrate where women expounded from the text of God's Word...I'll safely assume you can't do it! And you're talikng to ME about "ripping out of contexts" ??

Funny, I have enough sense to comprehend "I do not allow a woman to teach, OR TO EXCERCISE AUTHORITY OVER A MAN...". Hmmm, I suppose, since this is "talking about the marriage life in the home," then only single women can "preach"?? Oh...that's right, there roles automatically flop when they come to church!! You're a hoot Prax...how about just believing the Bible to save yourself this embarrassment!

[Sister Alvear]

In Paul's day the church was like most mission fields...for many years we had few buildings but many house churches...in fact we still have many house churches for lack of buildings...Philip's daughter's prophecied I am sure in those house churches...where else would they have prophecied????

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The word is the greek word for disciple. Not the same word used in the previous verse for brothers

Just like the entire church is called by the feminine word for church, both men and women are called disciples here

NET bible commentary "Or "brethren" (but the term includes both male and female believers present in this gathering, as indicated by those named in Act_1:13-14)."

Hey Prax...will have to address the entire Acts 1 thing later...busy. BUT, wanted to ask if you think only women are in the church, since you keep emphasizing the feminine gender of the term church? Or, could it be that this is because the church is listed as a Bride, married to a bride-groom? Clearly the gender is meta-phorical in its usage...which I wouldn't think I'd have to point out!

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

If "wearing dark colored shirts" was the definition of what a police officer is, then yes. But it isn't.

Again Paul refers to those that operate in the gift of prophecy "prophets". Sorry but your argument just isn't working. I gave you the definition from both scriptures and the greek dictionary

Ughh, it's your "arguments that aren't working." You're trying to pass off everyone who prophesies is automatically a "prophet".....absurd! You're attempted deflections about police officers, gardeners, dermatologists, electricians is too silly to even respond to!

Oh & NONE of your defintions supported "women preacher's in the 5-fold ministry"! Sorry Charlie...try again!

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

You aren't actually engaging in my argument. You are sidestepping it with red herring arguments.

The point remains Paul commanded to greet each other with a kiss. Do you do this? Do you teach others to do it as a command of God? Yes or no?

You're tired argument about the kiss demonstrable poor "hermeneutics," not to mention an equivocation fallacy. It says, "I cannot explain I Tim. 2:11-15, so I'll just try to poke holes in his argument by asking if he greets everyone w/ a kiss!" According to this logic NONE of the Bible is for us today !

It's all "culturally relative"! Way to go prax!

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

And which one of these women expounded from the Scriptures to men:______________? C'mon Prax...can't you at least fill out O-N-E blank? Purrtttyyy pleeeeeease!

[Sister Alvear]

Philip had four daughters who were prophets (Acts 21:9).