I know this was a harbinger of doom for the Roman empire. What other cultures have followed this pattern?
Rome is a prime example and America parallels Rome in going from a Republic to becoming an Empire. At the height of her imperial stature she would become extremely decadent. Nero would eclipse Caligula in depravity, which would mark the death knell of the Julian line. Moral corruption degrades any nation and rots it from the inside out. If we don't concentrate on soul winning and reaching out to impact our own community we will be over run with the pornographic steaming hot spew from the mouth of hell. Homosexuality is a blight upon this nation and we have to join in prayer to see these people repent and be baptized in Jesus name.
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AMEN!!!
Worst case scenario, but it is what some of the activists have as their dream. It has happened before . . .
Actually, the problem is they don't multiply. So they ardently recruit instead.
Recruitment down here in Fort Lauderdale is rank and you would not believe the ages of some of the young people in this city who tell me that they are lesbians and homosexuals. I know there is coming a revival that will make the "Great Awakening" look like a Saturday morning prayer group.
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And they don't always wait until the cadets are 18.
That is the horrible truth.
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You have an inimitable way with words.
I don't know how a guy without a gun can be so ON TARGET!!!!
I try my best.
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I think the Crusades are a great example of the kind of excess men will go to in order to bring power to themselves. It is much more closely realated to what one might call "legalism" than homosexual gang rape.
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good grief. but if you dont like that one Linin and Trotski clearly fit your wacky man on man type incounter.... much better than the macho gay fest.
once again, where did you do this Anthropological study? UC Berkley? or some other Marxist/feminist/post moderern liberal arts school? You really need to un-learn some stuff.
I presume you are operating on a level of irony here and not repeatedly confusing Lenin with bath towels. As I said, the Crusades certainly involved a lot of up close and personal types of violence, but the whole enterprise was too vast to really fit into the previous types of analogies.
For example Simon De Montfort's men plundered and raped their way through Carcassonne - each individual human encounter being a horrible example of what you appear to be citing. However, the decree of the papacy to authorize the Crusade and the "Albigensian Crusade" itself (to use just one example of "Crusade") was an expansionist war to bring Languedoc regions under the power of the King of France. It was a revenue and land grab, and not "personal."
To equate this to local church dysfunctions is unneccessarily complex, IMHO. My own use of primate behavior is simpler and goes more to the heart of the problem- the need for individual status being played out in an abusive manner.
Let's review: within the context of a discussion comparing "legalists" with "gays" I mentioned that I was in a board meeting once where the manipulative behavior and domineering presence of others made me feel, well... uncomfortable. At least 2 other posters took my statement and repeated it in a rather contrived way as saying (words to the effect), that I compared Apostolic preachers to homosexual rapists. I said nothing of the kind. I said that "I was in a board meeting once..." I didn't even specifically identify anyone as being an "Apostolic Preacher."
You appear to be continuing to attempt to respond to that distortion of my statement and wish to defend these "Apostolic preachers" who you imagine that I have maligned by saying that there were worse things in history than Apostolic preachers, like the Crusades for example. This really does very little to defend Apostolic preachers, but it's the approach you have chosen.
As far as, "where did you do this Anthropological study?" as I stated before, my impressions of my "incounters" (sic) with Apostolics comes from a life long association with Apostolics. The statement that I made that appears to have offended you comes from my experience as an elected official and full time minister within one particular Apostolic fellowship. My secular education came years after my Apostolic training and experience.
My own education has been from a UPC Bible College (many years ago) and (more recently) the same Accredited University that produced Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and numerous other conservative luminaries. From some of my other posts you may have noticed that I have criticized "Marxist/feminist/post moderern liberal arts school" (sic) and their way of thinking. This is a particular field of interest for me.
Perhaps if you did not inflate what I said you wouldn't be so upset and hard pressed to understand where I'm coming from. There's really no need to try and fathom the worst cruelties of the human race when the discussion is merely about individuals mistreating one another locally.
I presume you are operating on a level of irony here and not repeatedly confusing Lenin with bath towels. As I said, the Crusades certainly involved a lot of up close and personal types of violence, but the whole enterprise was too vast to really fit into the previous types of analogies.
For example Simon De Montfort's men plundered and raped their way through Carcassonne - each individual human encounter being a horrible example of what you appear to be citing. However, the decree of the papacy to authorize the Crusade and the "Albigensian Crusade" itself (to use just one example of "Crusade") was an expansionist war to bring Languedoc regions under the power of the King of France.
To equate this to local church dysfunctions is unneccessarily complex, IMHO. My own use of primate behavior is simpler and goes more to the heart of the problem- the need for individual status being played out in an abusive manner.
Let's review: within the context of a discussion comparing "legalists" with "gays" I mentioned that I was in a board meeting once where the manipulative behavior and domineering presence of others made me feel, well... uncomfortable. At least 2 other posters took my statement and repeated it in a rather contrived way as saying (words to the effect), that I compared Apostolic preachers to homosexual rapists. I said nothing of the kind. I said that "I was in a board meeting once..." I didn't even specifically identify anyone as being an "Apostolic Preacher."
You appear to be continuing to attempt to respond to that distortion of my statement and wish to defend these "Apostolic preachers" who you imagine that I have maligned by saying that there were worse things in history than Apostolic preachers, like the Crusades for example. This really does very little to defend Apostolic preachers, but it's the approach you have chosen.
As far as, "where did you do this Anthropological study?" as I stated before, my impressions of my "incounters" (sic) with Apostolics comes from a life long association with Apostolics. The statement that I made that appears to have offended you comes from my experience as an elected official and full time minister within one particular Apostolic fellowship. My secular education came years after my Apostolic training and experience.
My own education has been from a UPC Bible College (many years ago) and (more recently) the same Accredited University that produced Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and numerous other conservative luminaries. From some of my other posts you may have noticed that I have criticized "Marxist/feminist/post moderern liberal arts school" (sic) and their way of thinking. This is a particular field of interest for me.
Perhaps if you did not inflate what I said you wouldn't be so upset and hard pressed to understand where I'm coming from. There's really no need to try and fathom the worst cruelties of the human race when the discussion is merely about individuals mistreating one another locally.
Hey why is everyone picking on Pelathais? Listen let me interpret what he said above.
Worse things have happened in history than Apostolic Preachers....?
Hey...wait a minute...?
What do you mean by that!
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Hey why is everyone picking on Pelathais? Listen let me interpret what he said above.
Worse things have happened in history than Apostolic Preachers....?
Hey...wait a minute...?
What do you mean by that!
LOL. Thanks, EB.
I guess technically that is true.
It's just sad that Ferd and others had to go to the depths of human cruelty to find examples like "the Crusades" and Soviet communism for something "worse than Apostolic preachers." Of course, I think there was hyperbole in that.
Again, what I said was that once I had an experience... that was bad.
Others made the leap to "Apostolic preachers" and generalized the whole thing out to apparently include all Apostolic preachers. From there we went to, "what's the worse thing that ever happened to anyone anywhere?" Well, I hope "Apostolic preachers" didn't make anyone's list. I certainly never put them into that catagory.
I did however make a rather base comparison that offended some. I regret that, however the experience remains vivid for me.
It's just sad that Ferd and others had to go to the depths of human cruelty to find examples like "the Crusades" and Soviet communism for something "worse than Apostolic preachers." Of course, I think there was hyperbole in that.
Again, what I said was that once I had an experience... that was bad.
Others made the leap to "Apostolic preachers" and generalized the whole thing out to apparently include all Apostolic preachers. From there we went to, "what's the worse thing that ever happened to anyone anywhere?" Well, I hope "Apostolic preachers" didn't make anyone's list. I certainly never put them into that catagory.
I did however make a rather base comparison that offended some. I regret that, however the experience remains vivid for me.
well what Lenin did to Trotsky (did I spell that right) would be more one on one for ya....
my point is that manipulation on many levels is done by men for some reason. often it is to gather power or to keep power. I still say the crusades were much about that.
and I also see that most preachers who are manipulatative do so more on a corporate scale than one on one (though it does involve that)
maybe we dont completely disagree. But no, I didnt think you were talking about all Apostolic preachers. That was for some others....
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well what Lenin did to Trotsky (did I spell that right) would be more one on one for ya....
I thought you were doing it on purpose to belittle the ideology ... you know, like the way Rush Limbaugh purposefully mispronounces things to make fun of the liberal side. But a typo is just a typo and of no consequence.
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my point is that manipulation on many levels is done by men for some reason. often it is to gather power or to keep power. I still say the crusades were much about that.
A point well made and now, well taken.
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and I also see that most preachers who are manipulatative do so more on a corporate scale than one on one (though it does involve that)
maybe we dont completely disagree. But no, I didnt think you were talking about all Apostolic preachers. That was for some others....
Thanks. I appreciate the back and forth. Sometimes I get clumsy with this medium and I was afraid of being taken out of context.
Your points were excellent, I just quibbled about the scale of something like the Crusades verses local stuff.
As far as poor EB - I'm certain that he's not the worst thing that ever happened to the world.
I have'nt read this thread but I hope we don't have to choose.
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