Mark of the Beast may be only 2 1/2 years away

[shag]

The question is, are each of these judgments talking about the same thing, and when did/does it take place.

Revelation 20:11-15
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...15&version=KJV



Hebrews 9:27
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...27&version=KJV

[loran adkins]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Loren, when Paul here speaks of the "day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God", he is talking about a day of wrath and judgment OTHER than the one in Revelation?

I don't believe he is. Again as I have come to believe Revelation is all about the time leading up to the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem, and the kingdom of God that we have today.

Today we are not judged by God if we live by faith, there is no other judgment coming.

2Ti_4:8.. Now there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, shall give me at that Day; and not to me only, but also to all those who love His appearing.

Where is the judgment to those who look for his appearing? As Paul is speaking of the end of his life.

[shag]

Originally Posted by shag

The question is, are each of these judgments talking about the same thing, and when did/does it take place.

Revelation 20:11-15
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...15&version=KJV


2 Cor. 5:10
https://biblehub.com/2_corinthians/5-10.htm

Hebrews 9:27
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...27&version=KJV

Originally Posted by loran adkins

I don't believe he is. Again as I have come to believe Revelation is all about the time leading up to the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem, and the kingdom of God that we have today.

Today we are not judged by God if we live by faith, there is no other judgment coming.

2Ti_4:8.. Now there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, shall give me at that Day; and not to me only, but also to all those who love His appearing.

Where is the judgment to those who look for his appearing? As Paul is speaking of the end of his life.

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[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Awhile back, I had asked where all the apostolics went? There used to be HUNDREDS of apostolics just on this forum alone at pretty much any time day or night. There were other forums as well (remember Higher Fire, or whatever it was called?) that also had hundreds and sometimes thousands of apostolics discussing various things.

But over time they all dried up. There has been for YEARS practically NOTHING online as far as apostolic discussion forums, boards, chatrooms, etc. It's as if 99.999% of apostolics just got off the internet altogether, all at pretty much the same time.

Anyways, I was told "they all went to facebook". Facebook was the new thing that had apparently supplanted all the old discussion boards and forums.

So, I visited facebook a few minutes ago. I searched for apostolic pentecostal groups. I found numerous churches that have their own facebook pages (to be expected), and a bunch of groups. Most of these groups haven't made a single post in several years. There were four or five I found that had recent posts, but apparently they are all run by the same person and are just duplicating posts.

Meanwhile, on these facebook groups, it's all nothing but meme pictures with pithy little quotes and cute sceneries. ZERO "discussion" of anything. I was never sure how facebook could process "discussions" anyway since the format just doesn't seem suited to it.

So where'd they all go? Twitter obviously is not the place for in depth discussion of anything. Instagram, tiktok, snapchat, etc are also simply not designed for any kind of discussions, they are all for sound bites and memes. Did I miss the rapture or something?

The Internet was a bullet to many different religious communities. What happens to these groups (as was apparent on the first FCF) is that most of the guys and gals can't handle these types of discussion. People were banned just for having another view of eschatology. One has to keep in mind that Apostolic Pentecostal movement is basically Jesus went away, He came remotely on the day of Pentecost, and will return physically some day in some future. But He is coming back. Also we will be taken out of here before anything really bad happens. Also Jewish people no matter how they feel about Jesus Christ are Jesus' favorite. Those are cardinal rules. I remember brothers having problems with post tribulation (of any flavor) it was a real deal breaker if you believed Matthew 24:29-30 as it is written to mean Jesus' return was after the tribulation. Yet, we would be scolded and told that was just when He returned with the raptured saints to save His true beloved Israel.

If you believe the above (you don't even have to know how to explain it) you will be home coming queen. Like Sister Alvear's drive by shooting post which comments "I know He is coming back!" You will be able to keep the cards and letters coming into your mailbox. Listen, to be "Apostolic" all you need to do is tongue talking, Jesus is God, Baptism in water in the name of Jesus, and Jesus went away and returned. It's the explaining of those items which make some people run for the hills. We still have people viewing these posts and some are bots, but a lot are Apostolics. Most of our brethren don't want to ask questions of strangers on forums. They have also noted some of the hair pulling contests out in the public arena and steer clear. Just wanting to sit back and learn what they can glean. There are those who hear anything other than what their pastor or elders have taught as verboten. So, even if Jesus preached and David played his harp, they still would get up and leave.
When we first started the Internet social media was brand new, and we (as Apostolic Pentecostals) were just learning to navigate the terrain. Another thing we have to keep in mind is how the algorithm hides and directs this channel.

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Listen, to be "Apostolic" all you need to do is tongue talking, Jesus is God, Baptism in water in the name of Jesus, and Jesus went away and returned.

False, the Apostles always looked forward to Jesus glorious return in the future. Apostolic means you also await his future return of Christ.

If you are not waiting for Him, you are not Apostolic.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by coksiw

False, the Apostles always looked forward to Jesus glorious return in the future. Apostolic means you also await his future return of Christ.

If you are not waiting for Him, you are not Apostolic.

So you are part of this discussion now?

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Awhile back, I had asked where all the apostolics went? There used to be HUNDREDS of apostolics just on this forum alone at pretty much any time day or night. There were other forums as well (remember Higher Fire, or whatever it was called?) that also had hundreds and sometimes thousands of apostolics discussing various things.

But over time they all dried up. There has been for YEARS practically NOTHING online as far as apostolic discussion forums, boards, chatrooms, etc. It's as if 99.999% of apostolics just got off the internet altogether, all at pretty much the same time.

Anyways, I was told "they all went to facebook". Facebook was the new thing that had apparently supplanted all the old discussion boards and forums.

So, I visited facebook a few minutes ago. I searched for apostolic pentecostal groups. I found numerous churches that have their own facebook pages (to be expected), and a bunch of groups. Most of these groups haven't made a single post in several years. There were four or five I found that had recent posts, but apparently they are all run by the same person and are just duplicating posts.

Meanwhile, on these facebook groups, it's all nothing but meme pictures with pithy little quotes and cute sceneries. ZERO "discussion" of anything. I was never sure how facebook could process "discussions" anyway since the format just doesn't seem suited to it.

So where'd they all go? Twitter obviously is not the place for in depth discussion of anything. Instagram, tiktok, snapchat, etc are also simply not designed for any kind of discussions, they are all for sound bites and memes. Did I miss the rapture or something?

Arguing, debating, discussing on FB doesn't go anywhere because people don't want to put in the work to dig out scripture and learn. The most effective tool always was and will be home bible studies with family, friends, and acquaintances.

On the other hand there are still some out there, who want to search the scripture, discuss and learn even on a board such as AFF. I may have learned a thing or two here.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

You were taught everyone is judged twice? Weird.

I was asking about the judgment of all the dead.

Do you believe the Bible teaches a judgment of all the dead OTHER than the one mentioned several times in Revelation?

I’ve met Apostolics who believed that when anyone died they immediately went to judgement then either burned in hell, or went to heaven. Then there would be a great white throne of judgement for those at the final end of the earth age. If I remember correctly Elder James LeDeay argued that position. But then again he might of revised his position?

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I’ve met Apostolics who believed that when anyone died they immediately went to judgement then either burned in hell, or went to heaven. Then there would be a great white throne of judgement for those at the final end of the earth age. If I remember correctly Elder James LeDeay argued that position. But then again he might of revised his position?

Never heard of this. Familiar with this:

People go to heaven or hell. If you go to heaven you come back for your body via the rapture.
Then, at the end the people in hell and everyone alive go to the white throne judgment.//
There’s a variation where even the raptured people go to the white throne judgment.

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Arguing, debating, discussing on FB doesn't go anywhere because people don't want to put in the work to dig out scripture and learn. The most effective tool always was and will be home bible studies with family, friends, and acquaintances.

On the other hand there are still some out there, who want to search the scripture, discuss and learn even on a board such as AFF. I may have learned a thing or two here.

I didn’t see much discussion on Facebook. There was some years ago, but not much.

Does anyone remember that one conference or meeting where people were warned about AFF and maybe the poster DA?

I’ve learned when I was a teen that apostolic do not like to have real discussions. They prefer an echo chamber.

When I was 21 I had a brief discussion with one of the ministers at the church about eschatology. Less than a week passed when the pastor called me to meet him at the church. I arrived. He angrily stated, “I was told that you have a problem with the doctrines of this church!”
That discussion was brief, but he wasn’t angry by the end. His face turned from red to his normal color.