Divorce and Remarriage

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Personal questions and discussing experiences are one thing. But only the more debased among us use shared personal experiences to insult. Amanah for example, she's discussed things in my past, and even shared a few of her own experiences. We've disagreed, but neither of us has used something from either of our pasts to insult, slander, or offend one another deliberately.

One can bring up the most personal of experiences if they choose. How people decide to respond to those things measures their character, not the one being transparent about something from their past.



I believe that marriage is an indissoluble union. If one divorces a spouse, they are absolved of all responsibilities towards their former spouse. But they are still one flesh. When one remarries, they adulterate that first union with a second indissoluble union. This adulterates God's intention for marriage. And this act can be forgiven by God. And the manner of repentance is not to do that which contributed to the failure of the first marriage. Most are only thinking with their genitals, thinking that every time people in a second marriage bed one another they are committing adultery. I'm elevating the issue. It isn't about the sex. It's about a state of being. A state of having established two indissoluble unions, thereby adulterating God's intention for marriage, making those involved adulterers. Since both unions are indissoluble, one can only seek forgiveness and grace.

Now, while a couple in a second marriage might receive forgiveness and grace, for their souls. They are disqualified from eldership.



I'm not trying to dig out of a hole. I've long accepted that I'm not qualified for any form of leadership within the body.



I was only indicating how messy things can be by sharing my own experience. Notice, only a few ran with what I shared and made issue of it. Others voiced that they understood my point. How one responds to what another posts is entirely owned by themselves. I can't make anyone go personal. Individuals choose to do that. And the fact that everyone didn't... only proves that those who did... wanted to. It reveals a certain "attack dog" like attitude in their spirits.



It's like what I explained to EB... I can pour gasoline on myself and hand a dozen men matches. The one who chooses to set me ablaze.... he's the murderer. I just sit back in amazement that it is so often the one's priding themselves on being the most "spiritual" who can't help but throw the first stones, and strike the match. lol



I'd rather be real and hated than fake and respected.



No.

Like EB's example...

Even if I pour gasoline on my head and hand everyone matches.... it's the individual's choice to act a fool and light the match. I can't apologize for their actions.

Your response here has convinced me you have a rather twisted online agenda , and nothing is as it seems with you. Therefore, I am done dialoguing with you. Good day.

[consapente89]

Poor Sister Alvear...

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by consapente89

Poor Sister Alvear...

her join date is 2007, she is a seasoned vet.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Your response here has convinced me you have a rather twisted online agenda , and nothing is as it seems with you. Therefore, I am done dialoguing with you. Good day.

I suggest that no one has taken time to really talk to me. All you know about me is the mischaracterizations the EB has repeatedly posted. So, you respond assuming such mischaracterizations, and you're debating an illusion.

[Michael The Disciple]

Matt. 19:3

3The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?

Can a man put away his wife for ANY REASON?

Jesus said:

Matt 19:9

9And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

This is called AN EXCEPTION.

It means this is an EXCEPTION to the rest of what he says in the verse.

So if a man puts away his wife BECAUSE she committed fornication he CAN marry again and it is NOT adultery.

In our day many if not most of the cases never get this far. If a woman decides she will cheat more often than not SHE will divorce the husband before he has a chance to divorce her.

So in this case HE IS NOT PUTTING HER AWAY.

She put him away.

She leaves having sex with someone else. The state backs her up.

So in summation he DID NOT put her away. She having already committed adultery now DESERTS the husband.

If she has both committed adultery and deserted him if she was once a believer she obviously is not a believer now.

Paul fills in the rest of the situation with this.

1 Cor. 7:12-15


12But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. 13And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. 14For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. 15But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

When one marries they cannot be absolutely certain their mate will continue on with Jesus. If they fall away from their faith in him they are just as much an unbeliever as in a case where two people marry before they are saved and later one is born again and the other is not.

If the unbelieving depart, LET THEM DEPART.

If you are FREE the only meaning that really fits is free to remarry.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Your response here has convinced me you have a rather twisted online agenda , and nothing is as it seems with you. Therefore, I am done dialoguing with you. Good day.

Touché, this is insanity. It is like getting in a fight with a skunk. No matter ho wins both end up covered in stink.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I suggest that no one has taken time to really talk to me. All you know about me is the mischaracterizations the EB has repeatedly posted. So, you respond assuming such mischaracterizations, and you're debating an illusion.

Evidently you didn't understand what you were reading when you read Esaias post. You are gone.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Matt. 19:3

3The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?

Can a man put away his wife for ANY REASON?

Jesus said:

Matt 19:9

9And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

This is called AN EXCEPTION.

It means this is an EXCEPTION to the rest of what he says in the verse.

So if a man puts away his wife BECAUSE she committed fornication he CAN marry again and it is NOT adultery.

In our day many if not most of the cases never get this far. If a woman decides she will cheat more often than not SHE will divorce the husband before he has a chance to divorce her.

So in this case HE IS NOT PUTTING HER AWAY.

She put him away.

She leaves having sex with someone else. The state backs her up.

So in summation he DID NOT put her away. She having already committed adultery now DESERTS the husband.

If she has both committed adultery and deserted him if she was once a believer she obviously is not a believer now.

Paul fills in the rest of the situation with this.

1 Cor. 7:12-15


12But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. 13And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. 14For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. 15But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

When one marries they cannot be absolutely certain their mate will continue on with Jesus. If they fall away from their faith in him they are just as much an unbeliever as in a case where two people marry before they are saved and later one is born again and the other is not.

If the unbelieving depart, LET THEM DEPART.

If you are FREE the only meaning that really fits is free to remarry.

Thank you

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I suggest that no one has taken time to really talk to me. All you know about me is the mischaracterizations the EB has repeatedly posted. So, you respond assuming such mischaracterizations, and you're debating an illusion.

Did you learn how to do that from Maxine Waters?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I suggest that no one has taken time to really talk to me.

I did back on post #110, page 11. But it must have been lost in the flurry of posts.

EB responded to it.

You stated:

Originally Posted by Aquila

A clean and definitive solution is to see all divorce and remarriage as sin.

I posted this (I removed it from quotes so you can reply to it easier):

Originally Posted by n david

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"""I had to stop here and ask a question, so if this is addressed in the remaining couple of pages, I apologize.

If all divorce and remarriage is a sin, regardless of circumstance; and if all who are participants in divorce and remarriage commit sin, regardless of circumstance...

How do you reconcile Paul writing "shall we continue in sin?"

If remarriage is a sin, then it's a sin. A person can't commit a sin, ask forgiveness and then continue in the sin. Right?

Think this logically.

A person can't commit fornication with someone, ask forgiveness and then keep doing it.

As Paul says, "God forbid!"

By claiming that remarriage is a sin, but it's okay to continue in it if you ask forgiveness is no different than sleeping with the woman next door, going to church to ask forgiveness and then going back to her after the service."""