Bringing Protest & Disruption To Church:

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

To refuse to rebuke someone for their sin is to hate them, according to God. Just smiling and waving when someone is blatantly sinning means you hate them in your heart. Again, according to God.

Jesus affirmed that as the truth.

You don't know the details. You're making a judgement.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Aquila

You don't know the details. You're making a judgement.

God said it, not me.

[Amanah]

http://endtimeheadlines.org/2017/03/...xual-weddings/

An LGBT organization in Ohio has announced plans to target churches if they refuse to offer their property to be used in a homosexual wedding. In opposing the Ohio Pastor Protection Act (HB-36), the group Equality Ohio announced that they would target churches, forcing them to rent church facilities to groups that oppose their beliefs. This despite the fact that all the Roman Catholic bishops in Ohio support the bill, and Catholics make up approximately 20 percent of the state’s population.

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by Amanah

http://endtimeheadlines.org/2017/03/...xual-weddings/

An LGBT organization in Ohio has announced plans to target churches if they refuse to offer their property to be used in a homosexual wedding. In opposing the Ohio Pastor Protection Act (HB-36), the group Equality Ohio announced that they would target churches, forcing them to rent church facilities to groups that oppose their beliefs. This despite the fact that all the Roman Catholic bishops in Ohio support the bill, and Catholics make up approximately 20 percent of the state’s population.

That's because it's not actually about "equality", it's about acceptance. They want everyone else to accept their lifestyle as legitimate. Like pouting children, they'll whine and scream and stomp their feet until the adults give in and let them have their way.

It's high time the adults pull out the belt, and "apply the board of education to the seat of learning".

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

God said it, not me.

Esaias, I've known her for years. Do you think I've just smiled and waved at her without discussing her "sin"? This is what I meant by you not knowing the details. We had a period of time wherein we were not speaking once. Ease up a bit little guy. lol

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Amanah

http://endtimeheadlines.org/2017/03/...xual-weddings/

An LGBT organization in Ohio has announced plans to target churches if they refuse to offer their property to be used in a homosexual wedding. In opposing the Ohio Pastor Protection Act (HB-36), the group Equality Ohio announced that they would target churches, forcing them to rent church facilities to groups that oppose their beliefs. This despite the fact that all the Roman Catholic bishops in Ohio support the bill, and Catholics make up approximately 20 percent of the state’s population.

Haven't heard of this. I'll have to investigate it.

I've heard that sometimes the laws are written in such a manner in that if you offer your facilities to be rented by the general public, you can't discriminate.

So glad I'm a house churcher. lol

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Aquila

So glad I'm a house churcher. lol

I can see this being the next wave if persecution continues to build. It will be the downfall of organizations and dynasties though.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I do perceive that you are focused on what others might see and think. Frankly, I don't care what they think.

You should.

1 Thessalonians 5:22 KJV (22) Abstain from all appearance of evil.

1 Corinthians 10:28-29 KJV (28) But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof: (29) Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience?

The bible is detailed about appearances that affect OTHERS' consciences.

When we eat meat offered to idols, Paul explained, it is nothing and as good as any other kind of meat to eat. He said WE KNOW the idol is nothing. But...

1 Corinthians 8:4-7 KJV (4) As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. (5) For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) (6) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. (7) Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.

1 Corinthians 8:9-10 KJV (9) But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak. (10) For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;

In the above verse, Paul says SOMEONE MISUNDERSTANDS YOUR INTENTION when they SEE YOU do something. And because you gave them that chance to misunderstand you, when it would have been wiser to avoid any chance like that, you are responsible before the Lord for that person's confusion and perhaps backsliding.

Romans 14:14-15 KJV I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. (15) But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.

Romans 14:22 KJV Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.

All of these passages show one common principle. What PEOPLE SEE US DO affects them, whether we do it for the reasons they think we do, or not. And not only would a sinner see you at a gay wedding and perhaps think Christianity is full of hypocrites because the bible teaches against homosexuality, when you were not being hypocritical at all but just trying to show you love them as people, not in any way condoning their "marriage", you could make that one stumble and never come to God. Or a young unlearned Christian hears of your attendance and is confused since he does not know your intentions, and yet knows homosexuality is wrong, and quits church through confusion... the blood could be on your hands.

If we do not care what other people think, and we trudge ahead anyway because in our hearts we know we're right, THAT IS WHAT PAUL TALKED ABOUT. He said you sin against your brother or even hinder a sinner through their ignorant perception of the issue.

If you do not care what others think, then where does this principle apply anywhere in your christianity? Paul flatly taught we need to care because in the end it could hinder someone's salvation.

These obscure lessons in the bible are rarely taught and are virtually unheard of. But they are there. in today's pop-church-shallow-puddle-jumping-christianity you won't hear this teaching. But it's there. Let's not go back to the days when everyone did what was right in their own eyes without a standard of the WORD. They had an excuse because there was no word. Today, we don't have that excuse.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Esaias

God said it, not me.

This is the trend today. We state a principle in the bible and apply it to a situation, and we are accused of judging. lol. The truth like you stated is that GOD SAID IT. NOT US.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Amanah

I can see this being the next wave if persecution continues to build. It will be the downfall of organizations and dynasties though.

My concern is this... I think true loving Christians should be doing the protesting. I'm concerned that it will be liberals from every stripe. Because that crowd will turn on the more moderate Christians in their midst too.