Loren Yadon's: Tragedies of War????

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Sam

It is my personal opinion that God hates the AS and what it has done.
Now, I know that every one has his/her own opinion on everything and yours may be different than mine on the Affirmation Statement.

My opinion is based on Proverbs 6:16-19 which reads as follows:
16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

I have mixed feelings about the Affirmation statement. True, it hurt terribly and ultimately resulted in me losing everything. But without it, I wouldn't be where I am now and I wouldn't trade this for anything.

My only issue with it now are the ministers who yearly sign an oath, swearing to do certain things and know in their heart they'll never do those things.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by notofworks

I have mixed feelings about the Affirmation statement. True, it hurt terribly and ultimately resulted in me losing everything. But without it, I wouldn't be where I am now and I wouldn't trade this for anything.

My only issue with it now are the ministers who yearly sign an oath, swearing to do certain things and know in their heart they'll never do those things.

Do they actually have to do that?

[missourimary]

I think it's every two years now.

[sandie]

Originally Posted by Theophil

Amen to that! KH seems, to me, a very down to earth, prayerful, humble man. If someone has bitter, ill feeling toward him, because of something in the past, shouldn't they forgive him? Let God be the judge of His people.

If this is in regard to LY and forgivness for the situation, LY had indeed forgiven and moved on. I know, I heard him speak of it with my own ears.
He was terribly hurt, but he has told of the occasion of the forgiving process.
It was a beautiful thing to hear.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Do they actually have to do that?

Once every two years now.

So far, that's been the only accommodation made with Leonard Westberg's "bowel movement" thing.

[sandie]

Originally Posted by Innocuous

If that's true Sweet Pea, then KH lied to me to my face. Why would he do that? He had no reason to lie to me. If it was because of the other deal then all he had to do was say so and I would have accepted it. But he didn't say that he said something altogether different. I told him I was very disturbed by the firing and I asked him straight out, "Why did you fire LY?" and he told me it was because of the sermon and for 'dragging my mother into it" and he was very agitated when he said the latter. I think it was a moment of emotional and unintentional honesty. And certainly deniable since it was just the two of us alone in his office. I'll never forget that moment SP, it crushed me. It was a defining moment in my life. I didn't hear the classroom story until later and it smacked of a damage control cover story for Kool-Aid consumers, which fits the pattern of how things went down too often in those days. Perhaps things have changed and it's not that way any more.

I heard LY tell of the situation. And I am in agreement with what you have posted.
There was never a mention of teaching something he shouldn't have taught.
He was held in high regard as a teacher, it was most definatley over his sermon on grace and liberty.

[On The Wheel]

Originally Posted by sandie

I heard LY tell of the situation. And I am in agreement with what you have posted.
There was never a mention of teaching something he shouldn't have taught.
He was held in high regard as a teacher, it was most definatley over his sermon on grace and liberty.

If LY said something was so, it's so. Also, I can't conceive any scenario whereby he would willing teach doctrines that had been expressly forbidden.

He is and was a man of honor and integrity.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by sandie

I heard LY tell of the situation. And I am in agreement with what you have posted.
There was never a mention of teaching something he shouldn't have taught.
He was held in high regard as a teacher, it was most definatley over his sermon on grace and liberty.

Would you happen to have a transcript of that sermon?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Would you happen to have a transcript of that sermon?

I don't think it's available.
Others here have asked about getting a tape or trancscript and so far nobody has offered i

[LifeGuide]

I know this is an old thread, but would still like to get a copy of this message. Any help would be much appreciated!