CeCe Winans under fire for singing at Gay church

[GodsBabyGirl]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

I have no fear of gays. I have several friends that are homosexual. What I do fear is the ONE Who can destroy not only my body but also my soul. What he deems as an abomination I have no right to contradict.

Do you think Cece is going to tell anybody at this church that they need to leave their lifestyle???????

I believe CeCe will be led by the Holy Ghost....she always is....

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by GodsBabyGirl

I believe CeCe will be led by the Holy Ghost....she always is....

I'll bet she doesn't say a word. In not doing so she will be affirming them.....it will be good entertainment at best.

[NewWine]

Contrary to popular belief Sodom and Gomorrah wasn't destroyed because of homosexual tendancies. They were destroyed because they did not take care of the children and the poor. Exekiel 16:49

Ezekiel 16: 49 tv1a you conviently left out the preceding verses and those that follow. Sodom and Gomorrah was not destroyed simply because of not taking care of children and the poor as you have emphatically stated. Do not twist the scripture and take it out of context.

Ezekiel 16:35-59 The Lord is speaking to the Israelites as they are being punished for their sins. The Lord tells them in verse 36 "Thus saith the Lord God; Because they filthiness was poured out, and they nakedness discovered through thy whoredoms with they lovers, and with all the idols of they abominations, and by the blood of they children, which thou didst give unto me;" The Lord goes on to tell them that he will take their jewels from them and leave them naked and bare. Now in verse 46 Sodom is mentioned "that dwelleth at thy right hand, is Sodom and her daughters". verse 47-50 "Yet hast thou not walked after their ways, nor done after their abominations: but, as if that were a very little thing, thous wast corrupted more than they in all they ways. As I live, saith the Lord God, Sodom thy sister had not done, she nor her daughters, as thou has done, thou and thy daughters. Behold, this was the iniquity of they sister Sodom, pride, fullness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good”. From here the Lord continues to talk about Sodom and the abominations that were committed.

What else does the bible say about the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah?

Sodom is first discussed in the 18th chapter. Abraham, the Lord, and the two angels were conversing. The Lord had already sent the angels to Sodom.

Genesis 18:20 “And the Lord said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know”

Abraham asks of the Lord
Genesis 18:23 “And Abraham drew near, and said Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?”

God destroyed those that were wicked in Sodom. As you continue to read the 18th chapter you find the “men” had already started toward Sodom, in the Genesis 19:1 we find that those men are the two angels. Lot met them, took them into his house, and the house was surrounded by Sodomites.

Genesis 19:5,7-8 “And they called unto Lot; and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them” Lot goes out and says “And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof” The men in the street wanted the angels and tried to break the door to get to them, which lead to them being struck with blindness, that they may not find the door.

Some have tried to argue these scriptures refer to customs, which is not the case. However, it is clear in the scriptures that the statement “that we may know them” was not referring to know the two angels in a friendly manner. This is proven by what Lot says “do not so wickedly” and “I have two daughters which have not known man”. “Known man” refers to having been with a man e.g. to have sex. Lot offered up his daughters because they were virgins, and those in the streets wanted the two angels for sexual immorality. Also take note of Lot’s sons in laws.
The daughters of Lot were married yet they had never known a man. When you are married you consummate your marriage; which is done by a husband and wife coming to know each other. Further down in the chapter Lot goes out to his son in laws to warn them of the coming destruction.

Genesis 19:14 “And Lot went out, and spake unto his sons in law, which married his daughters, and said, Up, get you out of this place; for the LORD will destroy this city. But he seemed as one that mocked unto his sons in law.”
Lot was mocked by his sons in law for they were homosexuals; which is why the daughters of Lot didn’t know their husbands. They were also destroyed in Sodom.

Genesis 19:15 “And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city”.

Only Lot, his wife, and daughters were saved because they were righteous.

2 Peter 2:6-8 “And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds; )”

The scripture is clear that Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed due to their wickedness and homosexuality was apart of that wickedness.
Not only were Sodom and Gomorrha destroyed

Jude verse 7-8 “Even Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion and speak evil of dignities”.

Tv1a: Your stance that Sodom and Gomorrha wasn't destroyed because of homosexuality is a non-biblical stance. Furthermore, it is a false doctrine that God is not pleased with. There are those in this world that support and condone homosexuality and proclaim to be churches. Some of them call themselves Liberated Christians.

[GodsBabyGirl]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

I'll bet she doesn't say a word. In not doing so she will be affirming them.....it will be good entertainment at best.

I have seen her minister before....she is anointed by God. And God will use her. That is my prayer.

Maybe instead of taking bets on what she will or won't do, why not pray she is courageous enough and operating under such a strong power of God that she will....

Just my take....

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by GodsBabyGirl

I have seen her minister before....she is anointed by God. And God will use her. That is my prayer.

Maybe instead of taking bets on what she will or won't do, why not pray she is courageous enough and operating under such a strong power of God that she will....

Just my take....

Have you ever seen her in a room full of homosexual affirming people speak out against that sin by name?

[tv1a]

So what's your point? The apostle Paul refers to legalism as witchcraft. Plenty of devils on the loose with legalism. I've seen the demons of legalism first hand. Gossip has its roots in the spirit of Jezebel. Gossip is not based in flesh, but a spirit whose sole intention is to destroy. Gossip is on the same level as homosexuality in Romans 1.

Jesus equated gluttoney as one of the unacceptable behaviors happening in Noah's time. It was one of the reasons listed that God sent the flood. So if one wants to categorize sin, or worse yet blame the musicians for the inability of the pastor to control his congregation, so be it.

Originally Posted by NewWine

True we are to take care of our bodies and the scripture is very clear saying "What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost..." I Corinthians 6:19. Those who can't say "no when their bellies are full"; need to learn some self control; not have a homosexual demon cast out of them.

Yes, Christians at times are gossipers, lie, cheat, steal, and do other sinful acts. "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus" Romans 3:23-26

As such we can fall to our knees, repent of our sins, and find forgiveness. However, homosexuality is not the same. A homosexual cannot simply fall to their knees as forgiveness and the blood of Christ wash over them. They need the laying on of hands and that homosexual demon cast out of them. I have laid hands on people and cast demons out of them, in particular homosexual. And I can assure you that their weight was not the issue, it was those demons that had them bound. So you cannot place a shortcoming such as gossiping on the same level as demonic oppression.

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by tv1a

So what's your point? The apostle Paul refers to legalism as witchcraft. Plenty of devils on the loose with legalism. I've seen the demons of legalism first hand. Gossip has its roots in the spirit of Jezebel. Gossip is not based in flesh, but a spirit whose sole intention is to destroy. Gossip is on the same level as homosexuality in Romans 1.

Jesus equated gluttoney as one of the unacceptable behaviors happening in Noah's time. It was one of the reasons listed that God sent the flood. So if one wants to categorize sin, or worse yet blame the musicians for the inability of the pastor to control his congregation, so be it.

Forgotten the title of this thread?

[tv1a]

Correction noted on the ehud thing... Typing quick without proof reading does that to a person.

I have stated numerous times homsexuality is a sin. My point is there are many who think they know what a person should preach when put in a supposed situation like Cece Winans is put in. They get a cheap thrill at telling people they should preach against homosexuality while at the same time they can't control the urchins running wild in their church.

Originally Posted by NewWine

I would use a homosexual before I would use a gossiper anyday of the week. The church is generally homophobic.

We know that the first Christians were those in the book of Acts. And we know that those in the book of Acts that were called Christians were those that believed in baptism (in the Name of Jesus Christ) and receiving the Holy Ghost (evidence of speaking in other tongues). If you line up with the book of Acts than according to the word of God you are a Christian. Therefore, having said that I will say this.

No Christian can find sin acceptable, if they do then they should hit their knees and get their heart right with the Lord. Sin is sin, but not all sin is termed an "abomination". Homosexuality is a sin just as various other things are, however, Leviticus 18:22 (ref: Romans 1:24) discusses homosexuality and states "it is abomination". Thus, this ungodly spirit of homosexuality is not only a sin, but an abomination.

Your statement is spiritually troubling. Because NO CHRISTIAN that is FILLED WITH THE HOLY GHOST would ever make such a statement. For if one has been grafted into the body of Christ, they would never suggest or state in any way that they would desire to use demons. "The church is generally homophobic. They think homosexuality is an abomination...." I say unto you THE CHURCH IS RIGHT...HOMOSEXUALITY IS AN ABOMINATION according to the Word of God.

while on the pulpit sits a preacher of Ehud like porportions.
Judges 3:12-31
We find in verse 12 the Israelites have done evil in the sight of the Lord and the Lord has brought the Moabites against them, by strengthening Eglon the Moabite king. The children of Israel cried out unto the Lord and God sent them a Benjamite, Ehud. Ehud made a dagger which he concealed according to scripture and went before Eglon. While alone with Eglon, Ehud said unto Eglon verse 20 "I have a message from God unto thee" and he killed Eglon with the dagger. Further down in verse 27 Eglon blew the trumpet in the mountain of Ephraim and says unto the Israelites "Follow after me for the Lord hath delivered your enemies the Moabites into your hand". The Israelites go on to slay the Moabites. You are mistaken in you statement; perhaps you meant to say "Eglon"; because a preacher of "Ehud like proportions" is not a negative thing.

[tv1a]

It was suggested gossip was a lesser sin. I just pointed out it was often mentioned in scripture with as much intensitiy as homosexuality. Gossip is mentioned more in the Bible than homosexuality.

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

Forgotten the title of this thread?

[NewWine]

Originally Posted by GodsBabyGirl

New Wine said:

A homosexual cannot simply fall to their knees as forgiveness and the blood of Christ wash over them. They need the laying on of hands and that homosexual demon cast out of them. I have laid hands on people and cast demons out of them, in particular homosexual. And I can assure you that their weight was not the issue, it was those demons that had them bound. So you cannot place a shortcoming such as gossiping on the same level as demonic oppression.

WOW!

So now the blood of Jesus Christ cannot wash homosexuality away???

Now if someone doesn't bow to your power to cast out their devil then they cannot experience God move in their lives????

It is this type of classification of sin that renders many of folks in the Body of Christ ineffective to minister to those bound by homosexuality or lesbianism.

This innate fear that folks have of homosexuals and lesbians.

Those who got a problem with Cece singing at Victory...

"OhmyGod, like we cannot be around homos because that spirit is like too strong so we cannot let them in the church, minister to them, and if they do come in our church, they better like get ready for me to call them names....

Because I don't believe in the power of the Blood to redeem them.

So now we got to keep them outta our churches and make sure they don't ever experience the power of God. Because if they do God just may show me out and deliver and save them and I would have to stand behind my precious pulpit and apologize to all the homos I kept from the altar and carded them off from the wanting to be in the presence of God with my utter prejudice and hatred...."

Folks, we as the church need to wise up. He that winneth souls is WISE.

So now the blood of Jesus Christ cannot wash homosexuality away???

A homosexual cannot simply fall to their knees as forgiveness and the blood of Christ wash over them. They need the laying on of hands and that homosexual demon cast out of them.-NEWWINE

This is absolutely true. When one is possessed they cannot cry out to God because that spirit will not let them. So, let me tell you what I have witnessed. When one tries to call out to God that demon will roll their eyes into the back of their head, their tongue will stretch out of their mouth, that demon will tell them that are going to die, their body will contorted into ways that not even a gymnast can do! That persons will is bound, they cannot confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, that demon will not even let them repent!

You take the words that I have spoken and attempted to twist them. Just as many take the scripture and twist them. For those that have been grafted into the body of Christ they are under the blood. A homosexual is not under the blood.

Now if someone doesn't bow to your power to cast out their devil then they cannot experience God move in their lives????

FIRST OF ALL LET ME TELL YOU….IT IS NOT MY POWER BUT THE POWER THAT JESUS CHRIST HATH GIVEN UNTO ME. But ye shall receive power after that the Holy Ghost has come upon you. You shall have power to CAST OUT DEMONS…I EXERCISE MY GOD GIVEN AUTHORITY OVER EVERY DEMONIC SPIRIT. Greater is he that is in me than he that is in world.

It is this type of classification of sin that renders many of folks in the Body of Christ ineffective to minister to those bound by homosexuality or lesbianism.

To those that are afraid of the devil and every demon they need to get a revelation of their God given authority.

This innate fear that folks have of homosexuals and lesbians.

I DON’T FEAR ANY DEMON IN HELL. God hath not given me a spirit of fear but of love and of a sound mind.

Those who got a problem with Cece singing at Victory...

"OhmyGod, like we cannot be around homos because that spirit is like too strong so we cannot let them in the church, minister to them, and if they do come in our church, they better like get ready for me to call them names....

Because I don't believe in the power of the Blood to redeem them.


You don’t believe that blood of Christ can redeem?

So now we got to keep them outta our churches and make sure they don't ever experience the power of God. Because if they do God just may show me out and deliver and save them and I would have to stand behind my precious pulpit and apologize to all the homos I kept from the altar and carded them off from the wanting to be in the presence of God with my utter prejudice and hatred...."

Keeping company with homosexuals and lesbians is not biblical. The word of the Lord instructs about the company that we keep. When you hang around those that are possessed with demonic spirits those spirits will get a hold of you. I have seen this happen saints before. By no means DID I EVER STATE THAT HOMOSEXUALS OR LESBIANS SHOULD NOT ENTER A CHURCH. I ALSO NEVER CALLED ANYONE A NAME. You are simply making a mockery because you don't have the word of God in you; and your heart is not open to receive truth. I'm sure you'll have an argument against this bit of truth as well.