Is AFF the "Apostate Forum" ???

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

I met someone the other day who said he was apostate AND vigourously objected when I questioned the fact.

He also said God's gifts are without repentance and proceeded to "prophesy" and "preach" to me for over an hour!

That reminded me of an incident during my Christmas shopping. I was in Home Depot looking at tools for my husband. I purchased a new grinder and as I was checking out this woman behind me said, "Excuse me. You have beautiful hair. Would you mind if I touched it."

I'm like, "Okay."

She proceeded to say, "I need to touch it so it doesn't fall out. My friend's parakeet died the other day and she called me crying, "If you had touched it while you were here it wouldn't have died!!!!"

I'm just looking at her and knowing her race is generally superstitious, I just took my receipt and wheeled my package out to the truck.

Freaky!

[Dora]

Some hispanics believe that if you compliment someone you have to touch them to ward off evil spirits and bad luck.

For instance if you say, "Awww, what a cute little baby!" The mom will ask you to touch the baby for good luck.

Or if you like your girlfriend's shoes, G-friend will ask you to touch them for good luck.

Encountered this at one of my temp jobs. My trainer did this. It was weird.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Dora

Some hispanics believe that if you compliment someone you have to touch them to ward off evil spirits and bad luck.

For instance if you say, "Awww, what a cute little baby!" The mom will ask you to touch the baby for good luck.

Or if you like your girlfriend's shoes, G-friend will ask you to touch them for good luck.

Encountered this at one of my temp jobs. My trainer did this. It was weird.

Right. I find a lot of Hispanic Pentecostals are still superstitious.

I wanted to preach to her but I had been running between Lowe's and Home Depot trying to find just the right thing and I wasn't in the mood to tell her something she wouldn't have listened to anyway.

Seriously, I didn't feel to say a word to her.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Dora

Some hispanics believe that if you compliment someone you have to touch them to ward off evil spirits and bad luck.

For instance if you say, "Awww, what a cute little baby!" The mom will ask you to touch the baby for good luck.

Or if you like your girlfriend's shoes, G-friend will ask you to touch them for good luck.

Encountered this at one of my temp jobs. My trainer did this. It was weird.

I guess I'll need to be more careful in complimenting looks and features then.... that could get out of hand!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

I guess I'll need to be more careful in complimenting looks and features then.... that could get out of hand!

[Dora]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

I guess I'll need to be more careful in complimenting looks and features then.... that could get out of hand!

Uhhhhh....YEAH! Ha!!!!

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Dora

Thanks, people, for the verbose dissertation defining "Apostate."

Good grief!

YAAAAAWWWWWNNNNN!

A special post just for keeping Dora's attention!

Dora, be sure to check back next week for tips on "Watching Grass Grow!"

How Paint Dries

Unlike water-based paints, oils do not dry by evaporation. The drying of oils is the result of an oxidative reaction, chemically equivalent to slow, flameless combustion. In this process, a form of autoxidation, oxygen attacks the hydrocarbon chain, touching off a series of addition reactions. As a result, the oil polymerizes, forming long, chain-like molecules. Following the autoxidation stage, the oil polymers cross-link: bonds form between neighboring molecules, resulting in a vast polymer network. Over time, this network may undergo further change. Certain functional groups in the networks become ionized, and the network transitions from a system held together by nonpolar covalent bonds to one governed by the ionic forces between these functional groups and the metal ions present in the pigment.

Vegetable oils consist of glycerol esters of fatty acids, long hydrocarbon chains with a terminal carboxyl group. In oil autoxidation, oxygen attacks a hydrocarbon chain, often at the site of an allylic hydrogen (a hydrogen on a carbon atom adjacent to a double bond). This produces a free radical, a substance with an unpaired electron which makes it highly reactive. A series of addition reactions ensues. Each step produces additional free radicals, which then engage in further polymerization. The process finally terminates when free radicals collide, combining their unpaired electrons to form a new bond. The polymerization stage occurs over a period of days to weeks, and renders the film dry to the touch. However, chemical changes in the paint film continue.
As time passes, the polymer chains begin to cross-link. Adjacent molecules form covalent bonds, forming a molecular network that extends throughout painting. In this network, known as the stationary phase, molecules are no longer free to slide past each other, or to move apart. The result is a stable film which, while somewhat elastic, does not flow or deform under the pull of gravity.

During the drying process, a number of compounds are produced that do not contribute to the polymer network. These include unstable hydroperoxides (ROOH), the major by-product of the reaction of oxygen with unsaturated fatty acids. The hydroperoxides quickly decompose, forming carbon dioxide and water, as well as a variety of aldehydes, acids, and hydrocarbons. Many of these compounds are volatile, and in an unpigmented oil, they would be quickly lost to the environment. However, in paints, such volatiles may react with lead, zinc, copper or iron compounds in the pigment, and remain in the paint film as coordination complexes or salts. A large number of free fatty acids are also produced during autoxidation, as most of the original ester bonds in the triglycerides undergo hydrolysis. Some portion of the free fatty acids react with metals in the pigment, producing metal carboxylates. Together, the various non-cross-linking substances associated with the polymer network constitute the mobile phases. Unlike the molecules that are part of the network itself, they are capable of moving and diffusing within the film, and can be removed using heat or a solvent. The mobile phase may play a role in plasticizing the paint film, preventing it from becoming too brittle.
One simple technique for monitoring the early stages of the drying process is to measure weight change in an oil film over time. Initially, the film becomes heavier, as it absorbs large amounts of oxygen. Then oxygen uptake ceases, and the weight of the film declines as volatile compounds are lost to the environment.

As the paint film ages, a further transition occurs. Carboxyl groups in the polymers of the stationary phase lose a hydrogen ion, becoming negatively charged, and form complexes with metal cations present in the pigment. The original network, with its nonpolar, covalent bonds is replaced by an ionomeric structure, held together by ionic interactions. At present, the structure of these ionomeric networks is not well understood.

[Rev]

Originally Posted by pelathais

A special post just for keeping Dora's attention!

Dora, be sure to check back next week for tips on "Watching Grass Grow!"

How Paint Dries

Unlike water-based paints, oils do not dry by evaporation. The drying of oils is the result of an oxidative reaction, chemically equivalent to slow, flameless combustion. In this process, a form of autoxidation, oxygen attacks the hydrocarbon chain, touching off a series of addition reactions. As a result, the oil polymerizes, forming long, chain-like molecules. Following the autoxidation stage, the oil polymers cross-link: bonds form between neighboring molecules, resulting in a vast polymer network. Over time, this network may undergo further change. Certain functional groups in the networks become ionized, and the network transitions from a system held together by nonpolar covalent bonds to one governed by the ionic forces between these functional groups and the metal ions present in the pigment.

Vegetable oils consist of glycerol esters of fatty acids, long hydrocarbon chains with a terminal carboxyl group. In oil autoxidation, oxygen attacks a hydrocarbon chain, often at the site of an allylic hydrogen (a hydrogen on a carbon atom adjacent to a double bond). This produces a free radical, a substance with an unpaired electron which makes it highly reactive. A series of addition reactions ensues. Each step produces additional free radicals, which then engage in further polymerization. The process finally terminates when free radicals collide, combining their unpaired electrons to form a new bond. The polymerization stage occurs over a period of days to weeks, and renders the film dry to the touch. However, chemical changes in the paint film continue.
As time passes, the polymer chains begin to cross-link. Adjacent molecules form covalent bonds, forming a molecular network that extends throughout painting. In this network, known as the stationary phase, molecules are no longer free to slide past each other, or to move apart. The result is a stable film which, while somewhat elastic, does not flow or deform under the pull of gravity.

During the drying process, a number of compounds are produced that do not contribute to the polymer network. These include unstable hydroperoxides (ROOH), the major by-product of the reaction of oxygen with unsaturated fatty acids. The hydroperoxides quickly decompose, forming carbon dioxide and water, as well as a variety of aldehydes, acids, and hydrocarbons. Many of these compounds are volatile, and in an unpigmented oil, they would be quickly lost to the environment. However, in paints, such volatiles may react with lead, zinc, copper or iron compounds in the pigment, and remain in the paint film as coordination complexes or salts. A large number of free fatty acids are also produced during autoxidation, as most of the original ester bonds in the triglycerides undergo hydrolysis. Some portion of the free fatty acids react with metals in the pigment, producing metal carboxylates. Together, the various non-cross-linking substances associated with the polymer network constitute the mobile phases. Unlike the molecules that are part of the network itself, they are capable of moving and diffusing within the film, and can be removed using heat or a solvent. The mobile phase may play a role in plasticizing the paint film, preventing it from becoming too brittle.
One simple technique for monitoring the early stages of the drying process is to measure weight change in an oil film over time. Initially, the film becomes heavier, as it absorbs large amounts of oxygen. Then oxygen uptake ceases, and the weight of the film declines as volatile compounds are lost to the environment.

As the paint film ages, a further transition occurs. Carboxyl groups in the polymers of the stationary phase lose a hydrogen ion, becoming negatively charged, and form complexes with metal cations present in the pigment. The original network, with its nonpolar, covalent bonds is replaced by an ionomeric structure, held together by ionic interactions. At present, the structure of these ionomeric networks is not well understood.

That's very interesting!

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Because if the Apostolic faith is the truth, then those who have departed from it have met the definition of what an apostate is, plain and simple. Its not a matter of me "labeling them" They have labeled themselves by their own actions.

Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter

I'm curious. Do you have a LIST of what you refer to as APOSTOLIC TRUTHS.

I truthfully would like a run-down on that.

I especially need fine-tuned the definition of "living and overcoming life."

Thanks.

Why should I provide you a list of apostolic truths? Hopefully you should already know what they are . No need for me to provide you a rundown. The essential apostolic truths are laid out in great detail in the books of the New Testament. Feel free to check there if you like.

I don't know why some of you feel the need to give me a hard time on this. The concept of apostasy is clearly taught in the New Testament. Those who have departed from the essential biblical truth as taught by the apostles may properly be considered apostates. I don't know why some of you seem to have a problem with that fairly simple concept.

I guess if the church were to take the mealy-mouthed approach some of you seem to advocate, we'd just eliminate the word from our vocabulary. You may choose to eliminate it from your vocabulary, but I don't see any need to eliminate it from mine.

[Rev]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Why should I provide you a list of apostolic truths? Hopefully you should already know what they are . No need for me to provide you a rundown. The essential apostolic truths are laid out in great detail in the books of the New Testament. Feel free to check there if you like.

I don't know why some of you feel the need to give me a hard time on this. The concept of apostasy is clearly taught in the New Testament. Those who have departed from the essential biblical truth as taught by the apostles may properly be considered apostates. I don't know why some of you seem to have a problem with that fairly simple concept.

I guess if the church were to take the mealy-mouthed approach some of you seem to advocate, we'd just eliminate the word from our vocabulary. You may choose to eliminate it from your vocabulary, but I don't see any need to eliminate it from mine.

Maybe because they are affraid they are one?