I might not agree with Daniel on everything but I do consider him as a friend and a brother.
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People who are always looking for fault,can find it easily all they have to do,is look into their mirror.
There they can find plenty of fault.
No you didn't. I went from responding to you to just speaking in general. Some one (I forget who) on the deleted thread had said words to that effect about the "ex-PC" forum.
Sorry for the apparent confusion. I'll try and be more specific with my confusion in the future.
I read her post and walked away w/ the same impression ... I also asked her to clarify her remarks but apparently she did not see my remarks because the thread was deleted.
Yeah you payed me a large sum of money to be planted on this thread.
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People who are always looking for fault,can find it easily all they have to do,is look into their mirror.
There they can find plenty of fault.
there was a thread in Thad's Tab but the admin deleted it.
someone from our forum had access to their private forum and came over here and spilled the goods- posted the threads from their forum. they was sending spies over here to purposely do damage to AFF.
the admin. here had to delete it - it named names of people here that were plants
First, I want to say that the one who posted the private threads has apologized, and I have forgiven him. Some of the posters on the thread, before it was pulled, were cheering him on. None of them have apologized, to my knowledge. They knew that what was being done would be against our wishes (said to hurry before we ban him, e.g.), but didn't seem to have any qualms about the activity (with an exception or two).
Thad, your post is inaccurate in the following points:
1. Nobody sent anybody here. There are no plants. We are all individuals, free to register and post on whatever sites will have us. The ex-pentecostals site doesn't encourage nor discourage anyone's posting on AFF. All the posters were acting of their own accord. (Some AFF members have joined our forum, by the way.)
2. Nobody that I know of (certainly not me) intend to damage AFF. Many of you have already noted that we have complimented AFF in its openness and tolerance. I have done so, both on the ex-pente board and here. I can speak only for myself as to intentions, and they were to stir the pot, for sure (just as a good many OPs do!), to encourage you good folks to think about what you believe, to defend your doctrines. To exercise 1 Peter 3:15! I have never hidden my ex-pentecostalness. To the contrary, I have affirmed it several times. No one ever asked me if I also post on the ex-pente board, but if they had, I would have gladly admitted it. Why wouldn't I?
3. If you mean that an admin had to delete the thread because it named names, well, you'd have to ask the admins, I suppose, but it may be because it publicly exposed private communications, and was deleted at our request. Oddly, some posters here are aghast about our copying some AFF posts to our board in private areas, and at least one has thought that it may be illegal. Quoting public posts in a private forum, illegal? Hmm.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Maybe it's just me, but sheltiedad seemed kind of transparent about where he was coming from. He had been burned in an OP environment a long time ago and was an open skeptic about things.
Timmy was more opaque but I don't think anyone believed he was a professing OP. These two guys seemed to be more interested in stirring the pot. There were others that snickered about the posts and the replies.
The AFF poster Cupcake was also "indicted." But her politics were so incredibly leftist and her general tone on AFF was so bitter that I don't think anyone took her for anything other than what she appeared to be.
Coon was complimented and AFF in general was complimented. The "openess" of this forum and the give and take that goes on was praised.
I don't know that it's fair to say the "ex-PC" forum created the shooter. Psychologists have been debating what creates those types for centuries. The shooter's posts were condemened for being very bitter and there were attempts to reach out to the guy. When the posts became threatening the authorities were notified.
In fact, as the investigation was just starting there were news reports that there "may be a link" between the two shootings and it seemed like the cops were following up on that angle from the start. The reason the cops had for suspecting a link seems to have been the info provided by the "ex-PC" forum.
Thanks, Pel. That's correct. In fact, both the FBI and the Arvada police were notified between the two shootings, as soon as the threatening posts were seen. Unfortunately, there was not enough information to identify his next target. We gave them IP addresses, access to the posts, all the info we had.
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I agree, I too have been a recipient of many who have paved the way, learned from others as they were gracious to share with me their experiences.
I was not swiping OP, I was really interested in knowing if Pentecostals sought for the gift of wisdom as they would seek for the gift of healing, miracles, prophecy, discernment, etc. I know many preachers who would fast for days for the gift of healing or prophecy, yet I have never heard anyone seek the gift of wisdom.
My point is why aren't we? Why do young preachers seek after healing or prophecy and never wisdom? I think wisdom from above is critical to taking care of God's people. More than the other gifts.
Could it be that prophecy or healing elevates the flesh? Yet wisdom glorifies God?
Sigh.
I guess we must travel in totally different circles.
My experience and perspective have been completely different than yours.
I have heard about preachers going on long fasts for specific gifts, like prophecy or healing, but I have never known that to be a mainstream practice. I don't think that is a valid approach anyway, fasting to try and get God to give you something that is a gift operated at His discretion. Fasting isn't spiritual green stamps that we trade in for stuff in the catalog. So from the beginning, your premise doesn't ring with me.
And as a young man, I was taught by my elders to pray for wisdom, understanding, and knowledge, every day. Make that a daily prayer.
I practice this and teach my young men this same thing.
Furthermore, I read a chapter of proverbs every day, reading through the entire Book every month, and require my young preachers to practice this also. I have been doing this for years.
I have seen a lot of people healed, and been used in prophecy and various other gifts too, but have not ever fasted a day for any specific "gift." I would question the motives of someone doing that.
I think it is far better to seek Jesus, who is the Giver, and if I get Him, I'll have all the gifts I need when they are needed.
So your foundational premise--that Pentecostals are all about seeking sensational, flesh exalting supernatural gifts, and have no interest in wisdom and basic principles of godliness--is absolutely false from where I stand.
It may apply to some fringe elements without a doubt. And maybe that's all you have had experience with. On one post, you mentioned Richard Heard...that explains a lot.
But this is not true for the vast majority of Apostolic men who are in the trenches, digging out works for God day in and day out, and not making the news.
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