Do You Believe In Women Preachers?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

rpd - You have a problem and it is a lot bigger than women preachers! I absolutely detest a spirit of rebellion against the authority of God and his ministers.

My 'problem' is w/ those like yourself who attempt to erase I Tim. 2:11-15 out of the same Bible they claim to "preach/teach" out of! If you 'detest a spirit of rebellion,' then begin w/ the ministry of the mirror....for YOU are the one 'rebelling' against the Word of God!

You have no authority to say anything you are saying on here and have shown how ignorant you are by posting your "500th" times nonsense. We all believe the Bible and because YOU interpret something one way and we interpret it another does not give you any right to say that we "claim to be a preacher of the Bible" and are not Biblical. YOU are not Biblical and I call you out on it.

Don't have to 'call' to hard...here am I! Now, let's test it: "I do not allow a woman to teach, or to excercise authority over a man. She is to remain quiet. For Adam was FIRST formed, THEN Eve...These things I write to you so that you may know how to behave yourself in the household of God, which is the church." Hmmm, did I quote that from the Bible, or the 23rd chp. of my imagination? YOU are the one who's "not biblical" sir.

As you asked - WHAT IN THE WORLD IS YOUR PROBLEM? Did a female minister preach something that called you out and exposed your sin? Do you have a problem with respect to women in general? Did you have some problem in a relationship that soured you on women? You sure are disrespectful so something must have happened to you and maybe you need to talk about it and confide in someone about your problem with women.
Why are you so disrespectful and keep trying to usurp authority over the people of God? You have absolutely no right or authority at all to do it. People like you sicken me with your high and un-holy pompous - I am better than you and know more than you, stinking attitude.

How funny! Your venom is glowing green! O' & "people like you sicken' me"....who apparently cannot comprehend plain English [let alone the force of the Greek!] instructions to the church. Way to go "bishop" !

You have no right to put any limits on God or who He calls . The FACT remains - GOD USES WOMEN and you have a problem with it - but then again - that is the least of your problems! Why don't you go somewhere else and try your rhetoric on ignorant and unlearned people that are too gullible to understand TRUTH!

Why, that's apparently what I'm doing on here! "I do not allow a woman to teach, or to excercise authority over a man....". Put your eraser down "bishop," it'll still be there when you're finished w/ your silly unbiblical tirades! O', I also noticed 'all those biblical references' in your posts...NOT! Try again "bishop"!

[rdp]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

I was told a truth that is so very true in this case - You can't cast out Stupid!

And you're lecturing ME about ethics??? You're a hoot "bishop"! O' & I'm "stupid" enough to believe the Biblical instructions to the church...oughta' give it a try sometime!

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Rdp, can you respond to the braids are a sin thread please?

Our women do not braid their hair, nor wear jewelry...why, don't you believe that also Prax? I thought I read it in the Bible? Oh, that's right, the Bible apparently doesn't mean what it says it does????

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

It seems talking in tongues makes noise...poor women...

Scorn it all day long....the Bible will still instruct "I do not allow a woman to teach, or to excercise authority over a man..." when you're finished w/ your derisions.

I've tried to be respectful to you Sis. for your sacrifices that you've made, but you just continue to plod along w/ quotes about "prohecy" when I've dealt w/ them ad nauseum. BTW, I told some friends about our interaction on here & they came on & read it. One lady said she couldn't believe the way you acted & she lost some of her respect for you. So keep it up, I'm still waiting on you to deal w/ I Tim. 2:11-15 in light of chp. 3:15:________________?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Sounds so technical... and almost missing the point. Don't you sometimes see that, RDP?

Not at all...Thayer's defined prophecy as such!

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Then Jesus said to them, "Do not be afraid. Go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee; there they will see me."
New Living Translation (©2007)
Then Jesus said to them, "Don't be afraid! Go tell my brothers to leave for Galilee, and they will see me there."

English Standard Version (©2001)
Then Jesus said to them, “Do not be afraid; go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee, and there they will see me.”

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Then Jesus said to them, "Do not be afraid; go and take word to My brethren to leave for Galilee, and there they will see Me."

International Standard Version (©2008)
Then Jesus said to them, "Stop being frightened! Go and tell my brothers to leave for Galilee, and they will see me there."

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Then Jesus said to them, "Don't be afraid! Go, tell my followers to go to Galilee. There they will see me."

King James Bible
Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.

American King James Version
Then said Jesus to them, Be not afraid: go tell my brothers that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.

American Standard Version
Then saith Jesus unto them, Fear not: go tell my brethren that they depart into Galilee, and there shall they see me.

Bible in Basic English
Then said Jesus to them, Have no fear: go and give word to my brothers to go into Galilee, and there they will see me.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Then Jesus said to them: Fear not. Go, tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, there they shall see me.

Darby Bible Translation
Then Jesus says to them, Fear not; go, bring word to my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there they shall see me.

English Revised Version
Then saith Jesus unto them, Fear not: go tell my brethren that they depart into Galilee, and there shall they see me.

Webster's Bible Translation
Then said Jesus to them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren, that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.

Weymouth New Testament
Then He said, "Dismiss all fear! Go and take word to my brethren to go into Galilee, and there they shall see me."

World English Bible
Then Jesus said to them, "Don't be afraid. Go tell my brothers that they should go into Galilee, and there they will see me."

Young's Literal Translation
Then saith Jesus to them, 'Fear ye not, go away, tell to my brethren that they may go away to Galilee, and there they shall see me.'

Oh brother...here we go again. So now every person who tells someone of the Risen Christ is automatically in the set-in office of the NT 5-fold ministry????? Silly......how does any of this invalidate I Tim. 2:11-15? You're simply reaching for what's not there.................

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by paul kimrey

Seems like when when you get in a corner you use the bad translation theory. If king James version is not for you then write your own Bible everyone is doing it these days.
The issue of braided hair would correctly be discussed on the standards thread.I also had a Great Grand mother who was a woman preacher,it does not change the Word of god.

I don't need to write my own bible when there are others that translate this just fine..

And that is all beside the point, "Usurp Authority" does not mean "preaching the word". If it does then men are usurping authority all the time.

The point remains, if we are going to take the word of God literally without examining who it was written to, why or when..totally ignoring hermeneutics, then the bible says not to "teach"...doesn't say anything about preaching

BTW we can discuss it, but how about an answer here? Braids...is it a sin? Yes or no?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

if a person has been given authority he is not TAKING authority....if you opinion was right then God was wrong to use women as prophetess..

Not "his opinion," it's the apostle Paul's "opinion."

Timothy is listed as one in leadership [apostle] & Paul instructed this church leader "not allow a woman to teach, or to excercise authority over a man...". So, when leadership allows this, THEY are the one's who are in violation of the Word of God...as well as the one practcing it.

BTW, a "prophetess" is not a "preacher" in the sense of the 5-fold NT se-in office of the ministry. Besides, where's the approved example of the "prophetess" in the NT church economy:___________? O' & before you even try, spare me Young's definition of a "prophetess," since he already believed in women preacher's...not to mention how his concordance is well out-dated.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by rdp

Our women do not braid their hair, nor wear jewelry...why, don't you believe that also Prax? I thought I read it in the Bible? Oh, that's right, the Bible apparently doesn't mean what it says it does????

Ok so you believe women are sinning by braiding their hair? Seriously? Why my surprise? I have been in the UPC for about 25 years. I can't think of how many people I have met that believed this. From the reactions on this board it's clear it is not unheard of but very rare. The reason for the surprise is that in those 25 years the UPC never had as a position that women can't braid their hair. Rather they understood that verse in it's historical context. That is, someone in the UPC actually researched this..practiced some hermeneutics.

In it's historical context, what the Apostles were referring to was the Roman practice women had of elaborate braidings intertwining their hair with jewelry. Not merely braiding their hair. The issue was not that braiding was a sin in God's eyes, but this practice of the Roman's was a great source of competitive pride.

See, the problem is not taking the word of God how it is written. The problem is understanding HOW it is written.

Do you also practice greeting each other with a kiss?
1Th 5:26 Greet all the brothers with a holy kiss.
2Co 13:12 Greet one another with a holy kiss.
1Co 16:20 All the brothers send you greetings. Greet one another with a holy kiss.
Rom 16:16 Greet one another with a holy kiss. All the churches of Christ greet you.

Understood in it's historical context, this was a cultural thing for them. Paul was not giving a new command. But maybe, just maybe you really do just take the word of God like this and preach everyone in your church must kiss each other instead of a handshake.

This sort of lack of understanding is probably what led to snake handlers as well.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by rdp

Not "his opinion," it's the apostle Paul's "opinion."

Timothy is listed as one in leadership [apostle] & Paul instructed this church leader "not allow a woman to teach, or to excercise authority over a man...". So, when leadership allows this, THEY are the one's who are in violation of the Word of God...as well as the one practcing it.

BTW, a "prophetess" is not a "preacher" in the sense of the 5-fold NT se-in office of the ministry. Besides, where's the approved example of the "prophetess" in the NT church economy:___________? O' & before you even try, spare me Young's definition of a "prophetess," since he already believed in women preacher's...not to mention how his concordance is well out-dated.

The bible does not forbid a woman to preach. Taking the verses you presented it only says "teach".

"Preacher" is not one of the 5 fold ministries

Here is an example of a prophetess
Act 21:8 On the next day we departed and came to Caesarea, and we entered the house of Philip the evangelist, who was one of the seven, and stayed with him.
Act 21:9 He had four unmarried daughters, who prophesied.

1Co 14:3 On the other hand, the one who prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation.