When the Pharisees Accused Jesus of Being used by the Devil...

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

For Miss Brattified: This is the quotes of RRFPRD and you tell me if you think it is personal or about the subject of studying psychology...



Not unlike the majority of yours or anyone else' who have started a thread...



Read the disclaimer on the thread...I never claimed to be the AFF counsleor...this is where you push your own agenda...



The last three churches I have been a member of, including the present one...I do counsleing in...so I am not sure why you think I have no place to practice...again your own agneda to make others think a lie.



You know nothing of my ability to counsel! Again wanting others to believe a lie.




Personal details of everyone's life is posted along with pictures on the thread...shall we name names? Is there ar eason why I am singled out...maybe you have issues with me?



Have I ever pointed out your deficiencies? I don't know you and know nothing of your ability or lack of ability to counsel but you know so much about mine...go figure...



This is a bold faced lie...I am all about the spirit moving in people's lives. You have told a lie about me...




ANOther lie



You again have told an untruth - you know nothing of my past ministry or my present ministry!



And which relationship would that be? You trying to tell more stories?peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, aka..lies



And you are my judge? Who died and made you God?

Now if anyone cannot see this was a personal attack then you are deluded and believe a lie!

Sister. You are letting them get to you. Let them think and believe what they want.

A heart specialist studies the heart. A psychologist studies the mind. There is nothing wrong with counseling and I have known churches, including UPCs that have on staff a professional counselor.

That doesn't mean though that I buy into the whole psychological field of study, but clearly it's NOT evil to counsel someone for their problems and it would be even more advantageous to do so from a biblical perspective

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

So what about CPA's and lawyers?
Should we not hire them to help us with church matters?

What part of "philosophy" did you NOT understand? I really wish you'd actually read what's written instead of trying to read things into it.

Originally Posted by J-Roc

Now this is too extreme, brutha.

As extreme as light is from darkness. Hmmm, didn't Jesus say something about His disciples being the light of the world?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Chan

No, it's about people being accused of being used by the devil.

No it's an assumption that if somehow someone studied psychology or basketweaving ... they don't have the giftings to counsel using the Word of God because a select few have declared it so ....

{Help you Berk???}

[J-Roc]

THE TRUTH IS INCONTROVERTIBLE...MALICE MAY ATTACK, IGNORANCE MAY DERIDE IT, BUT IN THE END THERE IT IS!

Originally Posted by Rhoni

For Miss Brattified: This is the quotes of RRFPRD and you tell me if you think it is personal or about the subject of studying psychology...



Not unlike the majority of yours or anyone else' who have started a thread...






The last three churches I have been a member of, including the present one...I do counsleing in...so I am not sure why you think I have no place to practice...again your own agneda to make others think a lie.



You know nothing of my ability to counsel! Again wanting others to believe a lie.




Personal details of everyone's life is posted along with pictures on the thread...shall we name names? Is there ar eason why I am singled out...maybe you have issues with me?



Have I ever pointed out your deficiencies? I don't know you and know nothing of your ability or lack of ability to counsel but you know so much about mine...go figure...



This is a bold faced lie...I am all about the spirit moving in people's lives. You have told a lie about me...




ANOther lie



You again have told an untruth - you know nothing of my past ministry or my present ministry!



And which relationship would that be? You trying to tell more stories?peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, aka..lies



And you are my judge? Who died and made you God?

Now if anyone cannot see this was a personal attack then you are deluded and believe a lie!

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Chan:
That being the case, there is no place for worldly wisdom in the Church.

You're words dude. Keep up with the conversation, please?
Reminding you of what you posted gets a little old.

You said worldly wisdom.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Capture this ... Chan ... biology teaches evolution should an Apostolic teacher or doctor
not study biology ????

Biology is not philosophy and not all schools that teach biology teach it from an evolutionary perspective.

You really need to go back and read what I posted. I specifically referred to worldly philosophy/wisdom, not to things like biology, law, accounting, etc. that are not philosophy/wisdom.

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

You're words dude. Keep up with the conversation, please?
Reminding you of what you posted gets a little old.

You said worldly wisdom.

Yes, I did say that. Maybe you should go learn what it means.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Sister. You are letting them get to you. Let them think and believe what they want.

A heart specialist studies the heart. A psychologist studies the mind. There is nothing wrong with counseling and I have known churches, including UPCs that have on staff a professional counselor.

That doesn't mean though that I buy into the whole psychological field of study, but clearly it's NOT evil to counsel someone for their problems and it would be even more advantageous to do so from a biblical perspective

Some would rather teach a canned occult theory form of pop psychology than examine research based theories ... of Skinner, Glasser, Gardner, Piaget ... which by the way only can only glorify God's creation by their findings.

[MissBrattified]

Rhoni,

Then I guess I am deluded and believing a lie, because I don't believe for a moment that RRFord and Coonskinner have it in for you. I do believe that they disagree with what you are doing, and they point it out whenever they feel like it.

So do I, come to think of it (point out what I disagree with when I feel like it). So just lump me in with them.

I personally think you are way too sensitive to be participating in these online forums. You consistently are deeply offended, and usually by comments that are no different from what is offered to every other person. In other words, what I would say to you when I disagree is no different than what I would say to Pastor Poster, Chan, Coonskinner, Felicity or anyone else, e.g., I'm not picking on you.

I haven't seen inconsistency from these men. Chan calls it like he sees it all the time, on every topic that interests him, no matter who authored the first post. He's disagreed with me quite vehemently before, and I don't recall taking it personally. He has the right to think what he thinks and state what he thinks, just like you do.

Coonskinner was quite amiable in his first few posts on your thread. Then he happened to disagree with some of your advice offered, and suddenly he was Public Enemy No. 1.

What I object to from you is this constantly offered up problem of being picked on and victimized and mistreated, allegedly in a way no one else is subjected to, and I just don't see it. I think there are a myriad of posting styles and points of view and they are all worth hearing, including yours, but you seem to only want to hear the ones that agree with you, and if anyone posts something in disagreement, you respond defensively rather than intellectually, which really doesn't work in a productive manner.

You seem to always feel you are being judged, when, again, folks simply disagree with you. Instead of supporting your points, defending your arguments and propping up your perspectives, you spend your time being offended and stating how offended you are, and then you are even more offended when some people find that sort of response discredits you overall.