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02-27-2018, 12:51 PM
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Re: Billy Graham
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Originally Posted by Amanah
Billy Graham studied the bible for 70+ years, he had his chance and missed the boat, and deceived millions into thinking they were saved.
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Again, my boundary is casting an eternal judgment that I feel only God is qualified to cast (unless I feel a specific unction of the Spirit to look one in the eye and tell them that they are doomed where they stand).
I'll agree with you in that Billy Graham studied Scripture for 70+ years and never saw the fullness of the Apostolic truth the Holy Spirit has revealed to us. And what little he did gain from the Scriptures he shared with millions. I'll let God be the judge as to Graham's and any other's salvation.
I will say that I know people who claim to have come to Christ under Billy Graham, but who continued on and found the Apostolic truth. For them, Graham was instrumental in their salvation by just bringing them to a place of justifying faith.
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02-27-2018, 01:34 PM
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Re: Billy Graham
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This is funny. I lean reformed. There are many reformed that are not cessationist. Why? Because that is not a logical conclusion. Many reformers were not cessationist. Sola scriptural is not false doctrine. Even while operating in spiritual gifts- the message has to line up with scripture.
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Which reformers were "not cessationist"? The overwhelming majority of reformed people I've ever met did not believe tongues, prophesying etc were in operation today. They do not deny God can and does miracles, but none of them are charismatic or pentecostal. PC(USA) and OPC don't really count as reformed, by the way. And most Lutherans don't, either.
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02-27-2018, 01:38 PM
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Re: Billy Graham
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02-27-2018, 01:46 PM
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Re: Billy Graham
You guys are all incredible. You have far more time than I do to spend here for sure - but even factoring that the length and quality of these responses is awesome... I am trying to catch up on the reading and enjoying it! lol!
^^ this is nothing but a compliment!
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02-27-2018, 02:05 PM
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Re: Billy Graham
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Originally Posted by Esaias
Which reformers were "not cessationist"? The overwhelming majority of reformed people I've ever met did not believe tongues, prophesying etc were in operation today. They do not deny God can and does miracles, but none of them are charismatic or pentecostal. PC(USA) and OPC don't really count as reformed, by the way. And most Lutherans don't, either.
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Most miracles they depend upon are defined as miracles of providence, if I remember correctly.
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02-27-2018, 02:06 PM
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Re: Billy Graham
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
You guys are all incredible. You have far more time than I do to spend here for sure - but even factoring that the length and quality of these responses is awesome... I am trying to catch up on the reading and enjoying it! lol!
^^ this is nothing but a compliment!
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I've discovered that those posting in this forum are among the finest in Apostolic Pentecost. All posts, even from those holding positions that are contrary to what I've thought have offered information I've found valuable.
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02-27-2018, 02:08 PM
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Re: Billy Graham
So, I hope some can see my dismay at so many here ascribing to Sola Scriptura and even admittedly buying into Reformed theology.
Yet... I'm typically labeled the crazy heretic around here. lol
Yes, my standards are probably not in line with what I was raised in. But as far as doctrine and general practice, I still believe in the Apostolic Pentecostal faith. I could sit and ratchet jaw for hours with the old timers. Though, they might be taken aback by my beard, my lady's pants, my kids wearing shorts, and our owning a television. But more or less, they'd find that I essentially believe in the faith they hold dear.
Even my refraining from judgment regarding one's eternity, out of allowing God sovereignty in His judgments and out of mere respect for the dead, was a value most of the old timers I know had.
But today, hardness is seen as holiness and insensitivity as a virtue. Preachers are more like cuddly self affirming counselors, or they are shock jock, "Billy Graham's in Hell!", kinda preachers. So few are trying to strike a balance, or even a tactful decorum, anymore.
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02-27-2018, 02:23 PM
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Re: Billy Graham
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Originally Posted by Amanah
Billy Graham studied the bible for 70+ years, he had his chance and missed the boat, and deceived millions into thinking they were saved.
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And in your opinion why did all of this studying and prayer lead to eternal damnation?
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02-27-2018, 02:37 PM
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Re: Billy Graham
Billy Graham Believes Catholic Doctrine of Salvation Without Bible, Gospel, or Name of Christ
by Robert E. Kofahl, Ph.D
Television interview of Billy Graham by Robert Schuller. Part 1, an approximately 7-minute-long broadcast in Southern California on Saturday, May 31, 1997. The following is an exact transcript* of an excerpt close to the end of this broadcast.
Schuller: Tell me, what do you think is the future of Christianity?
Graham: Well, Christianity and being a true believer--you know, I think there's the Body of Christ. This comes from all the Christian groups around the world, outside the Christian groups. I think everybody that loves Christ, or knows Christ, whether they're conscious of it or not, they're members of the Body of Christ. And I don't think that we're going to see a great sweeping revival, that will turn the whole world to Christ at any time. I think James answered that, the Apostle James in the first council in Jerusalem, when he said that God's purpose for this age is to call out a people for His name. And that's what God is doing today, He's calling people out of the world for His name, whether they come from the Muslim world, or the Buddhist world, or the Christian world or the non-believing world, they are members of the Body of Christ because they've been called by God. They may not even know the name of Jesus but they know in their hearts that they need something that they don't have, and they turn to the only light that they have, and I think that they are saved, and that they're going to be with us in heaven.
Schuller: What, what I hear you saying that it's possible for Jesus Christ to come into human hearts and soul and life, even if they've been born in darkness and have never had exposure to the Bible. Is that a correct interpretation of what you're saying?
Graham: Yes, it is, because I believe that. I've met people in various parts of the world in tribal situations, that they have never seen a Bible or heard about a Bible, and never heard of Jesus, but they've believed in their hearts that there was a God, and they've tried to live a life that was quite apart from the surrounding community in which they lived.
Schuller: [R. S. trips over his tongue for a moment, his face beaming, then says] I'm so thrilled to hear you say this. There's a wideness in God's mercy.
Graham: There is. There definitely is.
http://www.biblebb.com/files/tonyqa/tc00-105.htm
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02-27-2018, 02:45 PM
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Re: Billy Graham
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And in your opinion why did all of this studying and prayer lead to eternal damnation?
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I don't know.
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