Seconds of Pre Embryonic Life of Jesus Christ?

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Sean

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...&postcount=123


I think the Apostles believed and taught 2 beings...one independent Divine being, inside one independent human being.

I think we have drifted away from this simple fact.

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Sean

Why did you find a H/U version, TK?

Huh?

You have no idea about anything biblical, do you?

Don't you know what the LXX is?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Sean

So you did not see the division of the tenses as per mortal life vs immortality?

This makes no sense at all.

Please, explain what I said that was in error.

Quote what I wrote--correctly--then show my error.

Do cite your scriptures.

(I know the above will never happen)

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Sean

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


Wow, what a difference in the versions.

Sean, when was Isaiah written?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Sean

Wait a minute.

This is about your/their walk with God.

I pray to the same Jesus you pray to.

The ONLY difference is, I think he became deity after he resurrected, not at birth.(33 years).

Jesus is OUR God, through and through.

I just try to explain it a bit differently, and give Jesus his individuality and true humanity back.

I can ever so slightly have a different approach when teaching this and be excepted by my UPC peers.

I just see Jesus as God by the infilling of the full Godhead in his Glorified body.

He is ALL GOD!

Sean, where was God during those 33 years?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Sean

Wait a minute.

This is about your/their walk with God.

I pray to the same Jesus you pray to.

The ONLY difference is, I think he became deity after he resurrected, not at birth.(33 years).

Jesus is OUR God, through and through.

I just try to explain it a bit differently, and give Jesus his individuality and true humanity back.

I can ever so slightly have a different approach when teaching this and be excepted by my UPC peers.

I just see Jesus as God by the infilling of the full Godhead in his Glorified body.

He is ALL GOD!

Sean, what is the godhead?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Sean

Now when we see the multiple verses saying Jesus has a God, yet others that say he is God, it is because he is a man that became the express image of his God, which is by definition, God.

Sean, your explanation would make any Trinitarian or Twinitarian very proud.

You are as One God as Charles T Russel.

[houston]

So, the A-pos-til to the Oneness movement is rilly a binitatian? With Jesus as some lesser god?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Sean

"God inside Christ"(Holy Ghost) was prior to the foundation of the world.(Christ always existed, mind/will of God)

The Holy Ghost was/is comprised of the human spirit of Christ indwelled by the Holy Spirit.

Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

So we have three spirits indwelling Jesus? I thought you said Jesus was too small?

So please explain who is:

1. the Holy Ghost?
2. the human spirit of Christ?
3. the Holy Spirit?

I can't wait to see your verses for this.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Sean

He just said in John 5 he, himself was powerless. Do you agree with him?

No, he never said he was powerless in John 5. In fact, he affirms that he does what he does by virtue of his oneness with his Father.


Here is another indicator that he was God from the moment of conception....

1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,

2..And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. Matthew 17:1-2)

13..And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

14..His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

15..And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. (Revelation 1:13-15)

These passages demonstrate that all the fullness of the Godhead already dwelt in Christ on the Mount of Transfiguration long before John's encounter with him while on Patmos. In Revelation, John is seeing Christ as he saw him in Matthew. Prior to his entrance into glory, Christ kept the glory suppressed, if you will, only revealing a glimpse of it on one occasion, as described in Matthew and other gospels.