Aquila? JD? Light? Why So Quiet?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by n david

Lyin' Donald.

Watched this all through the primary. He's a pathological liar.

Yes, he is.

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by n david

Lyin' Donald.

Watched this all through the primary. He's a pathological liar.

Like a typical lieberal, he projects his own faults onto others.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Aquila,

I have been absent from AFF for awhile and I'm curious about your current affiliation. Under your Forum name is *Apostolic Friend (Quaker)*

If I recall you have progressed from Apostolic to Calvinist to a strong proponent of House Church, and now you are a Quaker?

If you don't mind answering my question, how has this evolution of belief led you to a more liberal viewpoint and an acceptance of abortion as a right?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by n david

The definition is a bit broad these days. By definition, a racist was one who believed one race was superior to another. However, that's not always true. One may be racist or engage in racism without believing in the superiority of one race.

Farrakhan is an overt racist. obama is different. He's not overt, nor do I believe that he believes one race is superior, but many of his speeches, policies and decisions have subtle racism in them and are influenced because of his race. He may not be an overt racist like Farrakhan or Duke or the late Democratic Senator Bryd, but he still engages in racism, which is why I say he's a racist.

Let's break down what you are saying.

You say:
President Obama is a racist.

I say:
Prove it.


You say:
Many of his speeches have subtle racism in them.

I say:
That does not make sense.

I ask:
How many or which ones? Please elaborate.


You say:
His speeches are influenced because of his race.

I ask:
Please elaborate.


You say:
His policies have subtle racism in them.

I say:
That is a lie that you could NEVER prove.

I ask:
Prove it.


You say:
His policies are influenced because of his race.

I say:
I don't think this would be racism in anyone else's mind except yours and only when you are talking about Obama.

I ask:
I'd like for you to prove this and I would like for you to prove that what you are talking about is actually racism.


You say:
His decisions have subtle racism in them.

I say:
Prove it.


You say:
His decisions are influenced by his race.

I say:
That is true for just about every person in America, given the right circumstances.

I ask:
Please elaborate.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by n david

No, I'm not comparing him to Dylann. Read the post. I'm comparing your claim that because obama has white friends/VP/Cabinet/supporters that he can't be racist. That's hilariously absurd!

So since Bannon has blacks, latinos and Jews on his staff, your accusation that he's a racist is completely false and untrue! He cannot possibly be racist, based on your excuse for obama. Impossible.



Says the guy who did the same in the first paragraph.


Am I back in grade school?


Here's the problem, no matter what I post or evidence I bring, you are incredibly biased and closed it wouldn't matter. You will always move the goalposts. You will always define what you believe as valid or invalid claims. To you, anything and everything would be invalid.


If by f-khan you mean Farrakhan, then yes, he's an example of an overt racist.

Brother,
His MOTHER is white!
His Grandparents are white!


As far as your claim that I move the goalposts, we'll that is simply not true-- at least in this discussion..

I will try not to move goalposts but you have to come with irrefutable or at least strong logic to back up your claims.

Please tell me in this and in future discussions when it appears that I am, "moving the goalposts". Please. Thank you.

So far, you haven't ever done that-- EVER with your claims on the President being racist.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

In defining racism, one could ask, was Jesus "racist" because he included no women, or minorities to be his chosen 12 disciples?

Jesus wasn't racist because Jesus wasn't white!


(sarcasm alert!)

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Brother,
His MOTHER is white!
His Grandparents are white!

Yeah, you already tried using that excuse, as though obama had the option of choosing his mother or grandparents. Absurd!

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

As far as your claim that I move the goalposts, we'll that is simply not true-- at least in this discussion..

I will try not to move goalposts but you have to come with irrefutable or at least strong logic to back up your claims.

So first you claim my comment on you moving the goalposts isn't true (it is, and the constant mention of obama's white mother, grandparents etc while ignoring Dylann's black best friend proves it), then you post that you'll try not to move them.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Aquila,

I have been absent from AFF for awhile and I'm curious about your current affiliation. Under your Forum name is *Apostolic Friend (Quaker)*

If I recall you have progressed from Apostolic to Calvinist to a strong proponent of House Church, and now you are a Quaker?

If you don't mind answering my question, how has this evolution of belief led you to a more liberal viewpoint and an acceptance of abortion as a right?

No, I'm not a Quaker. I'm an Apostolic (Oneness/Acts 2:38). However, I've been fellowshipping some Quaker friends. I enjoy their silent worship. I struggle with PTSD. Big, noisy, bang-clanging, services leave me rattled. The discussion based gatherings of the house church I frequent and the silent worship of the Quakers leaves me with greater peace.

Sometimes, when you're struggling with an issue, you have to journey a bit to find a combination of answers that truly minister to your soul. I've brought the value of silent worship to the house church I frequent. Occasionally, we'll allow the silence to settle over us and our meeting becomes very much like a Quaker gathering.

So, as it relates to Godhead and general doctrine I'm still Apostolic. Yet as it relates to practice, I'm more organic, with a touch of Quakerism.

I also like the Quaker Testimonies taught to me as S.P.I.C.E.:

Simplicity - in manner of life and dress
Peace - non-violence
Integrity - in human dealing
Charity - social compassion
Equality - tolerance and the love of neighbor

With an understanding of these Testimonies, one can "spice" up their lives with a little Quakerism. Honestly, they aren't far from the early understanding of "holiness" among early Apostolics.

[Aquila]

Trump tried to orchestrate that "feel" by including an eagle in an ad, it didn't go well:

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Aquila

No, I'm not a Quaker. I'm an Apostolic (Oneness/Acts 2:38). However, I've been fellowshipping some Quaker friends. I enjoy their silent worship. I struggle with PTSD. Big, noisy, bang-clanging, services leave me rattled. The discussion based gatherings of the house church I frequent and the silent worship of the Quakers leaves me with greater peace.

Sometimes, when you're struggling with an issue, you have to journey a bit to find a combination of answers that truly minister to your soul. I've brought the value of silent worship to the house church I frequent. Occasionally, we'll allow the silence to settle over us and our meeting becomes very much like a Quaker gathering.

So, as it relates to Godhead and general doctrine I'm still Apostolic. Yet as it relates to practice, I'm more organic, with a touch of Quakerism.

I also like the Quaker Testimonies taught to me as S.P.I.C.E.:

Simplicity - in manner of life and dress
Peace - non-violence
Integrity - in human dealing
Charity - social compassion
Equality - tolerance and the love of neighbor

With an understanding of these Testimonies, one can "spice" up their lives with a little Quakerism. Honestly, they aren't far from the early understanding of "holiness" among early Apostolics.

Thanks , your responses are always thoughtful and intelligent, I enjoy reading them.