@ Hoovie, if it's not God's will for us to be healthy why do we go against God's will and take aspirin for headaches, go to doctors when your sick? Why do you exercise? The Bible says we are to take care of our bodies. There are more scriptures in the Bible about healing than there are about how long a skirt should be. If Jesus healed everyone who asked Him, we should believe he will do it today.
As far as the person leaving a upci church, the worst thing you can do is isolate yourself from a body of believers. The devil's tactic is to keep you on your own little island. The devil will try to guilt in saying you can't go to another chruch because the don't preach "truth". You need the fellowship of other christians, even if they don't believe the same way you do. You'll discover no denomination has a monopoly on truth. They believe their revelation trumps your revelation. Every denomination has a few screws missing in their theology somewhere along the way.
The devil? Ha, people have told me that, along with "God is waiting for you to come back to Him". But the best one is " I'll be praying for you "', oh puhleeze, really?
As far as the person leaving a upci church, the worst thing you can do is isolate yourself from a body of believers. The devil's tactic is to keep you on your own little island. The devil will try to guilt in saying you can't go to another chruch because the don't preach "truth". You need the fellowship of other christians, even if they don't believe the same way you do. You'll discover no denomination has a monopoly on truth. They believe their revelation trumps your revelation. Every denomination has a few screws missing in their theology somewhere along the way.
A church can preach truth till Jesus comes back, but if they do not practice the love that is supposed to be in their hearts for someone else, all that preaching does no good. Don't you see? It's when the people mistreat others because they maybe do not play the game of "follow the leader" that drives other people away. In some churches, if you do not "follow the leader", they do not fellowship with you. Plain and simple.
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@ Hoovie, if it's not God's will for us to be healthy why do we go against God's will and take aspirin for headaches, go to doctors when your sick? Why do you exercise? The Bible says we are to take care of our bodies. There are more scriptures in the Bible about healing than there are about how long a skirt should be. If Jesus healed everyone who asked Him, we should believe he will do it today.
As far as the person leaving a upci church, the worst thing you can do is isolate yourself from a body of believers. The devil's tactic is to keep you on your own little island. The devil will try to guilt in saying you can't go to another chruch because the don't preach "truth". You need the fellowship of other christians, even if they don't believe the same way you do. You'll discover no denomination has a monopoly on truth. They believe their revelation trumps your revelation. Every denomination has a few screws missing in their theology somewhere along the way.
There's a Buddhist congregating place (I don't even know what they are called!) just down the street from me. Should I go there? They don't believe the same way I do.
Oh. You said Christians. Of course. My bad. Never mind.
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@ Hoovie, if it's not God's will for us to be healthy why do we go against God's will and take aspirin for headaches, go to doctors when your sick? Why do you exercise? The Bible says we are to take care of our bodies. There are more scriptures in the Bible about healing than there are about how long a skirt should be. If Jesus healed everyone who asked Him, we should believe he will do it today.
Really? Says who?
Here is my post from a recent Healing thread.
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
My view.
God primarily heals through the natural mechanisms which he initiated and put in place in our bodies. He also has given us the wonderful gifts of medicines, doctors and other medical professionals.
Additionally, there are times when, for reasons not fully clear, he chooses to perform a miraculous healing. While believing and faith can be an element in miraculous healing, they seem to occur primarily according to the will of God, and not because we have a specific foolproof formula.
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
The devil? Ha, people have told me that, along with "God is waiting for you to come back to Him". But the best one is " I'll be praying for you "', oh puhleeze, really?
People tell me they are praying for me. I just thank them. I mean, after all, I'm happy that people care and are praying. I have no intention to go back, however.
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People tell me they are praying for me. I just thank them. I mean, after all, I'm happy that people care and are praying. I have no intention to go back, however.
yeah, I suppose I appreciate their concern, even though it's misguided.
If Jesus healed all who asked and God heals all diseases, are we serving a different God than the God of the Bible? If you believe it's God's will for you to be sick, why do you go to the doctor? Aren't you thwarting God's will if you take medicine? If it's God's will for you to suffer, you should do it without any pharmaceutical assistance. Jesus did not refuse anyone who wanted healing.
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
Really? Says who?
Here is my post from a recent Healing thread.
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Definition of legalism- Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. TV
If Jesus healed all who asked and God heals all diseases, are we serving a different God than the God of the Bible? If you believe it's God's will for you to be sick, why do you go to the doctor? Aren't you thwarting God's will if you take medicine? If it's God's will for you to suffer, you should do it without any pharmaceutical assistance. Jesus did not refuse anyone who wanted healing.
I believe God has set the universe and all things in motion. He has made the beautiful shine of the sun, but his hand is no less delightful in the dark of night. He allows sickness, illness and death, and so yes I would say his will is manifest in our health and sickness and even our death. He knows our struggles and our human weakness. He has blessed us with medicines to ease pain and increase longevity. He even performs miracles at times.
We also know His will transcends all things temporal, and in a coming age we will be free of these fetters - for sure.
I hope this answers why I have no qualms going to a doctor...
Question: If your position is that we should all be divinely healed, why do you go to doctors?
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Well, the only medicine the Bible mentions as being free to take is this.... wine....
Paul told Timothy to take a little wine for your stomach!
Can you think of any other examples in the Bible where medicine was encouraged to be taken?
Just wondering.
ISBE
Very few specific remedies are mentioned in the Bible. "Balm of Gilead" is said to be an anodyne (Jer_8:22; compare Jer_51:8). The love-fruits, "mandrakes" (Gen_30:14) and "caperberry" (Ecc_12:5 margin), myrrh, anise, rue, cummin, the "oil and wine" of the Good Samaritan, soap and sodic carbonate ("natron," called by mistake "nitre") as cleansers, and Hezekiah's "fig poultice" nearly exhaust the catalogue. In the Apocrypha we have the heart, liver and gall of Tobit's fish (Tobit 6:7). In the Egyptian pharmacopoeia are the names of many plants which cannot be identified, but most of the remedies used by them were dietetic, such as honey, milk, meal, oil, vinegar, wine. The Babylonian medicines, as far as they can be identified, are similar. In the Mishna we have references to wormwood, poppy, hemlock, aconite and other drugs. The apothecary mentioned in the King James Version (Exo_30:25, etc.) was a maker of perfumes, not of medicines. Among the fellahîn many common plants are used as folk-remedies, but they put most confidence in amulets or charms, which are worn by most Palestinian peasants to ward off or to heal diseases.
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