The poor in America

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by coadie

Typical leftist agenda. I am accused of being ignorant and biggoted if I execercise free speech and say in public that gubment is too big and is the problem not the solution.

I can name several people I prayed for and they got hired. I see it.



http://biggovernment.com/tag/cloward-piven-strategy/

I expect to be called ignorant and bigoted if the Big Gubment folks see me make statements that I disdain. Just to place things in context. I have more economics classes from brick and mortar institutions than you, Obama and Geithner put together. Yikes.

You can say whatever you'd like, under the guise of Free Speech. You can even wear a Klan hat if you'd like. Saying "gubment" is distasteful, rude, ignorant and has racial pejoratives connected to it. The word is "government."

Glad you pray for people. Pin a freaking rose on your nose. Way to pray that the man on the Jericho road gets help, and not to bother getting off your own high horse to touch his wounds with your own hands. But keep praying you pious, hypocritical Pharisee!

Your boasting about your education over others, without knowing others, is a sure-fire indicator of insecurity -- and likely a bunch of lies. Goodey for you and economics. Now go fall in love with Jesus and ask for a new heart, and repent of the corrupt, judgmental, sickening evil that is in your heart.

[coadie]

[QUOTE=Socialite;1053942]You can say whatever you'd like, under the guise of Free Speech. You can even wear a Klan hat if you'd like. Saying "gubment" is distasteful, rude, ignorant and has racial pejoratives connected to it. The word is "government."

Glad you pray for people. Pin a freaking rose on your nose. Way to pray that the man on the Jericho road gets help, and not to bother getting off your own high horse to touch his wounds with your own hands. But keep praying you pious, hypocritical Pharisee!
Your boasting about your education over others, without knowing others, is a sure-fire indicator of insecurity -- and likely a bunch of lies. Goodey for you and economics. Now go fall in love with Jesus and ask for a new heart, and repent of the corrupt, judgmental, sickening evil that is in your heart.[/QUOTE]

You have a lot of leftist rage.

I was raised in a Mennonite community and caught up on The Mennonite Weekly Review over the weekend. Mennonites do many times more in terms of giving than do Pentecostals. We do micro loans. Some groups partnered with Bill Gates foundation and did cash debit cards in the

They’ll also get their first contact with the formal banking system, thanks to a unique collaboration of the government of Pakistan, United Bank Limited of Pakistan and Mennonite Economic Development Associates funded by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

My father was state director for mennonite disaster Service and we coordinated trucks and construction machinery for storm clean up for many decades. Now the big thing is drilling water wellls. Can't send missionaries if people are wrenching sick drinking bad water and have a fever.



One thing about Mennonites is that they strongly teach confidentiality in charity. There is so incredibly much charity that no one ever hears about.

Amish don't take welfare either. Don't milk the unemployment system.

Don't care for the gubment to tell us how to farm and sell food. Or take young men to war.

If a Christian is self sustaining with the stewardship of gifts from God, that is in your book a Pharisee.

I am a One God Apostolic. But the Mennonites have a lot of character values. Most will never consider borrowing money to build churches. Cuts into missions. There are thousands of Mennonites getting education in Mennonite colleges and Universities.

Pharisees. Many older orders of Mennonites do not salute the flag, Pledge allegiance to America nor take oaths like the bible says.

Mennonites have moved a lot and have always been let down by government promises of freedom and liberty. Mennonites were tortured and killed by Martin Luther because as anabaptists, they taught against baptising babies.

I don't worship the carnal gubment leaders. Kinda got Daniel and Esther in hot water also.

It is strange getting called a Pharisee. Getting the name Pharisee because I believe in Democracy. The gubment works for the people not the people working for the Gubment as your ideology demands.

America is a great country. Some are slow in discovering who is working for whom.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Socialite

You can say whatever you'd like, under the guise of Free Speech. You can even wear a Klan hat if you'd like. Saying "gubment" is distasteful, rude, ignorant and has racial pejoratives connected to it. The word is "government."

Glad you pray for people. Pin a freaking rose on your nose. Way to pray that the man on the Jericho road gets help, and not to bother getting off your own high horse to touch his wounds with your own hands. But keep praying you pious, hypocritical Pharisee!

Your boasting about your education over others, without knowing others, is a sure-fire indicator of insecurity -- and likely a bunch of lies. Goodey for you and economics. Now go fall in love with Jesus and ask for a new heart, and repent of the corrupt, judgmental, sickening evil that is in your heart.

Socialite - just my two cents here, but this post is out of line. You are judging the same way that you accuse coadie of.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Socialite - just my two cents here, but this post is out of line. You are judging the same way that you accuse coadie of.

Coadie professes to be a believer, and I'm quite comfortable with my open rebuke. Ironically, he still thinks it has to do with his politics.

People that slander groups with false over-generalizations, neglect the poor and say things like "the best thing you can do for the poor is not to be poor" is worthy of rebuke much harsher than I meted out to our thick-skinned, and thick-headed friend.

Both Jesus and Paul reprimanded the religious, cold-hearted characters with words that go beyond my own.

I'm not in community with Mr. Coadie, meaning, I don't fellowship regularly with him and worship with him, but in the nature of this forum, which is a "Christian" (and even more exalted, "Apostolic") forum, it would seem well within bounds.

Most people on AFF can actually have discourse with each other. This character just sloshes out hate, masked over by political randomness 24/7. We could be talking about the Sermon on the Mount, and somehow Lefties and Obama will be attacked.

[Socialite]

Glad you were raised in a charitable home, Coadie. Hopefully, you'll get back to your roots.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Keller offers three categories as the causes for poverty, namely: injustice and oppression, circumstantial calamity, and personal failure or irresponsibility. He demonstrates that while we might like to put people cleanly into one of these categories when contemplating how and when to minister to them, most of the time individuals who need help are a combination of all three.

While in recent American history there has been a fairly close alliance bewteen the church and conservative politics he offer a fair critique of political points of view on poverty. Conservatives typically see personal responsibility as the cause/cure of poverty while liberals tend to see poverty primarily as an effect of social injustice and structural inequities. His Biblical analysis points out that both are often named as causes of poverty. As Christians we ought to always be humble, and willing to provide help to the poor. Yes, slackness leads to hunger, yet “A poor man’s field may produce abundant food, but injustice sweeps it away” (Prov 13:23)
http://vimeo.com/5911393

It's sad that we can't even discuss the subject of poverty as believers without wielding political swords and labels. Immediately we jump into:

"They are lazy."

"They aren't trying hard enough."

"They are leaches."

"Welfare is bad."

"The 'Gubment' is not the hero."

All sorts of illogical straw men, presumptuous statements, and ideological defensiveness. What it surfaces, is the true heart people have toward the poor.

Most Christian's notion of justice is rooted more in their political party, than it is the teachings of Jesus.

[coadie]

Zealots for big gubment and control. See you at the next election.
We can think for ourselves. We have education. We work hard.

You can also.

We were lied to by big oppressive gubment. Big gubment doubled the number of poor and sends jobs over seas by the thousands.


Social justice is code for revenge. Big gubment wants to settle the scores and get even.

Why do the bullies pushing big gubment not explain why they are doubling the number of people that are poor? Must be the agenda to make people poor.



If big gubment is so correct, why do we have 1.4 trillion more debt this year?

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Socialite

It's sad that we can't even discuss the subject of poverty as believers without wielding political swords and labels. Immediately we jump into:

"They are lazy."

"They aren't trying hard enough."

"They are leaches."

"Welfare is bad."

"The 'Gubment' is not the hero."

All sorts of illogical straw men, presumptuous statements, and ideological defensiveness. What it surfaces, is the true heart people have toward the poor.

Most Christian's notion of justice is rooted more in their political party, than it is the teachings of Jesus.

Socialite - some of the comments are true on an individual basis. They are not true for EVERY individual, but they are true for some.
Sometimes you need to give someone a fish and sometimes you need to teach them how to fish.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Socialite - some of the comments are true on an individual basis. They are not true for EVERY individual, but they are true for some.
Sometimes you need to give someone a fish and sometimes you need to teach them how to fish.

I agree with your premise.

The problem is they are not as true corporately as many's prejudice informs them.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by coadie

Zealots for big gubment and control. See you at the next election.
We can think for ourselves. We have education. We work hard.

You can also.

We were lied to by big oppressive gubment. Big gubment doubled the number of poor and sends jobs over seas by the thousands.


Social justice is code for revenge. Big gubment wants to settle the scores and get even.

Why do the bullies pushing big gubment not explain why they are doubling the number of people that are poor? Must be the agenda to make people poor.



If big gubment is so correct, why do we have 1.4 trillion more debt this year?

Social justice equals revenge? You are a comic.

Agendas. Conspiracies.

Boy, your world is an interesting one

And hey, smart guy, it's called "government." Quit making fun of black people and/or rednecks, or otherwise calling poor people ignorant. It's disrespectful. That's the 3rd time I've asked you.