The Ugly Truth About Canada's HealthCare

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Light, when you say that conservatives and republicans dont want reform it is a lie. I dont know what else to call it.

maybe you can help me with it. is there another name for saying this when it is clear that it isnt true?

The Republicans only want "band aids" on the current system. They're "reforms" will just keep this beast alive a little longer.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Ferd

not needed. I didnt say that he didnt say it.

You said the republicans didnt want reform.

I didnt lie.

lets let the readers figure out who did.

Ferd... the Republicans had the White House AND Congress... no reform. They only talk about it... and people are dying. At least the Dems have a plan and are actually DOING SOMETHING.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Note "by and large" in the statement. I didnt say our system is perfect, but I believe it is far better than government controlled. I bet with some hard work and effort your family could find some charity, some benevolent program from a church or organization or even certain doctors or researchers who would be glad to assist your family in some way. Its hard to believe that absolutely no one in this country would be willing to help your nephew.

"Hard work and effort?!" You have NO idea the amount of time and effort that has gone into finding help. My brother and SIL have worked tirelessly, and for you to suggest otherwise is untrue and unfair.

I even contacted congressmen and senators, who were kind and concerned, but sent us to the same agencies which have rejected Ethan because "he doesn't have insurance."

A "beneveloent program" or "organization" cannot supply the needed funds or assistance.

So believe it or not...I do not post such personal things online to uphold a political view.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Ferd... the Republicans had the White House AND Congress... no reform. They only talk about it... and people are dying. At least the Dems have a plan and are actually DOING SOMETHING.

Dallas has problems with traffice. If i had a plan to blow up all the freeways in Dallas, one could say "at least I have a plan".

It is a moronic plan. you dont fix traffic flow by blowing up the freeways.

All plans may be created equal but some are more equal than others.


As for what the republicans did or didnt do, it is irrelevent to this discussion! The republicans certainly were focused on other issues. No doubt. No question about that. But we dont live in the past we live in the now.

and RIGHT NOW we are talking about reforming healthcare. Dont tell me that the republicand didnt do anything in the past.

Tell me the best way to reform healthcare. and dont tell me that blowing up freeways is a solid plan. Its a stupid plan.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Aquila

The Republicans only want "band aids" on the current system. They're "reforms" will just keep this beast alive a little longer.

and the democrats want to chop off both arms, both legs and the head because the patient has a heart problem.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Ferd... the Republicans had the White House AND Congress... no reform. They only talk about it... and people are dying. At least the Dems have a plan and are actually DOING SOMETHING.

Doing something doesn't mean it is the right thing. I'm all for doing something that is the right thing to do. The Dems plan is not the right plan. We do need changes but NOT government run changes.

[Light]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Dallas has problems with traffice. If i had a plan to blow up all the freeways in Dallas, one could say "at least I have a plan".

It is a moronic plan. you dont fix traffic flow by blowing up the freeways.

All plans may be created equal but some are more equal than others.


As for what the republicans did or didnt do, it is irrelevent to this discussion! The republicans certainly were focused on other issues. No doubt. No question about that. But we dont live in the past we live in the now.

and RIGHT NOW we are talking about reforming healthcare. Dont tell me that the republicand didnt do anything in the past.

Tell me the best way to reform healthcare. and dont tell me that blowing up freeways is a solid plan. Its a stupid plan.

Yes they were focused on running up the deficit.

Focused on taking the insurance industries money to stop health care reform and oh yea SEX and power.

We don't live in the past that is true but people are paying with their life's because Republicans did NOTHING.
They fought SS.
They fought Medicare.
They fought the Chips program.
They fought Medicaid.
The only thing they haven't fought against is lining their pockets.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Light

Yes they were focused on running up the deficit.

Focused on taking the insurance industries money to stop health care reform and oh yea SEX and power.

We don't live in the past that is true but people are paying with their life's because Republicans did NOTHING.
They fought SS.
They fought Medicare.
They fought the Chips program.
They fought Medicaid.
The only thing they haven't fought against is lining their pockets.

Don't forget they fought against Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac but the Dems insisted they didn't need any oversight.

[Light]

Originally Posted by Esther

Don't forget they fought against Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac but the Dems insisted they didn't need any oversight.

Now lets look at the fact. Fact republicans were in charge of all three houses. If they had wanted oversight they could of put some restriction in both Co. but they didn't.

There is going to be a bi partisan investigation into that issue. Lets wait and see what comes of it.

[simplyme]

Originally Posted by esther

doing something doesn't mean it is the right thing. I'm all for doing something that is the right thing to do. The dems plan is not the right plan. We do need changes but not government run changes.

ditto!!!