Baptism, DOES IT REALLY WASH AWAY SIN??

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Rico

So..........using the same exact scripture you are referencing in your post...........does that now mean that someone can have their sins forgiven and still not be saved until they get baptized? Just throwing this out for discussion.

I've heard conservative preachers say it... "Your sins were forgiven... but they are not remitted until you are baptized.."

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

I've heard conservative preachers say it... "Your sins were forgiven... but they are not remitted until you are baptized.."

Me too. I tried starting a separate thread, but no takers, so I guess no one wants to talk about it. Oh well.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Rico

Me too. I tried starting a separate thread, but no takers, so I guess no one wants to talk about it. Oh well.

That makes no sense. You are forgiven, but you are not forgiven until you are baptized. LoL.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

That makes no sense. You are forgiven, but you are not forgiven until you are baptized. LoL.

The question I posed on the other thread is, "Can someone can be forgiven but still not saved?"

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Rico

So..........using the same exact scripture you are referencing in your post...........does that now mean that someone can have their sins forgiven and still not be saved until they get baptized? Just throwing this out for discussion.

Maybe I'm not following you here... If your sins are forgiven you are "saved," at least in the very most important way.

I think we err when we try and break the whole thing down into different "steps." There is only one "step": Get saved. Once you've made that step your life will involve many other things that could be said to be "steps" - you're on a journey now, after all. But "getting saved" is just one "thing" to do on your to-do list of life, not several things.

When Ananias spoke to Paul about "washing away your sins..." he wasn't saying, "Paul you only got half-saved when Jesus found you..." Though Paul's conversion appeared to require a fuller experience than just a baffling experience out on the road. For all intents and purposes, Paul was still asking, "Who art thou Lord...?"

[Rico]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Maybe I'm not following you here... If your sins are forgiven you are "saved," at least in the very most important way.

I think we err when we try and break the whole thing down into different "steps." There is only one "step": Get saved. Once you've made that step your life will involve many other things that could be said to be "steps" - you're on a journey now, after all. But "getting saved" is just one "thing" to do on your to-do list of life, not several things.

When Paul spoke to Ananias about "washing away your sins..." he wasn't saying, "Paul you only got half-savged" when Jesus found you..." Paul's conversion required a fuller experience than just a baffling experience out on the road. For all intents and purposes, Paul was still asking, "Who art thou Lord...?"

That still doesn't answer the question though. Can someone's sins be forgiven and them still not be saved? Let's say someone comes and asks for forgiveness. According to some of what I have read by some posters, that person is now "saved". Let's say that same person never comes back to church after asking for forgiveness, but makes a point of asking God to forgive them of their sins on a regular basis, say every couple of days. In your opinion, is that person saved?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Rico

That still doesn't answer the question though. Can someone's sins be forgiven and them still not be saved? Let's say someone comes and asks for forgiveness. According to some of what I have read by some posters, that person is now "saved". Let's say that same person never comes back to church after asking for forgiveness, but makes a point of asking God to forgive them of their sins on a regular basis, say every couple of days. In your opinion, is that person saved?

The question makes no sense to me. If God has forgiven their sins, then they are saved.

All of the shuffling around that you describe in your hypothetical seems to cloud the issue. For me to have a clear understanding of what you mean answer this: Did the person genuinely receive the forgiveness of sins from God? If "yes," then they're saved. If "no," then they are not saved by almost anyone's definition.

[SDG]

He came to this world to save us from????

Sin and death, perhaps?

It's a desperate attempt ...

Saved in this context of course ... we mean regereration ... initial salvation ....

In some circles one can never be saved ... never.

Just more hoops.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by pelathais

The question makes no sense to me. If God has forgiven their sins, then they are saved.

All of the shuffling around that you describe in your hypothetical seems to cloud the issue. For me to have a clear understanding of what you mean answer this: Did the person genuinely receive the forgiveness of sins from God? If "yes," then they're saved. If "no," then they are not saved by almost anyone's definition.

Trust me, Pel. There are people here who think all it takes to be saved is to ask for forgiveness of their sins. I am presenting an example of someone repeatedly asking for forgiveness without ever doing anything else. Just asking for forgiveness on a regular basis; that's all. Is that person saved? Is that what Jesus meant when He said, "He that endureth 'til the end shall be saved"?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Rico

Trust me, Pel. There are people here who think all it takes to be saved is to ask for forgiveness of their sins. I am presenting an example of someone repeatedly asking for forgiveness without ever doing anything else. Just asking for forgiveness on a regular basis; that's all. Is that person saved? Is that what Jesus meant when He said, "He that endureth 'til the end shall be saved"?

Repenting is not just asking for forgiveness ... this is a red herring.