God's Answer To Californication - Page 14

Praxeas · #**131** 10-25-2007, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Can one Legislators actions bring disaster on a whole group of people?

1: Then there was a famine in the days of David three years, year after year; and David inquired of the LORD. And the LORD answered, It is for Saul, and for his bloody house, because he slew the Gibeonites.
2: And the king called the Gibeonites, and said unto them; (now the Gibeonites were not of the children of Israel, but of the remnant of the Amorites; and the children of Israel had sworn unto them: and Saul sought to slay them in his zeal to the children of Israel and Judah.)
3: Wherefore David said unto the Gibeonites, What shall I do for you? and wherewith shall I make the atonement, that ye may bless the inheritance of the LORD?
4: And the Gibeonites said unto him, We will have no silver nor gold of Saul, nor of his house; neither for us shalt thou kill any man in Israel. And he said, What ye shall say, that will I do for you.
5: And they answered the king, The man that consumed us, and that devised against us that we should be destroyed from remaining in any of the coasts of Israel,
6: Let seven men of his sons be delivered unto us, and we will hang them up unto the LORD in Gibeah of Saul, whom the LORD did choose. And the king said, I will give them.
7: But the king spared Mephibosheth, the son of Jonathan the son of Saul, because of the LORD's oath that was between them, between David and Jonathan the son of Saul.
8: But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite:
9: And he delivered them into the hands of the Gibeonites, and they hanged them in the hill before the LORD: and they fell all seven together, and were put to death in the days of harvest, in the first days, in the beginning of barley harvest.
10: And Rizpah the daughter of Aiah took sackcloth, and spread it for her upon the rock, from the beginning of harvest until water dropped upon them out of heaven, and suffered neither the birds of the air to rest on them by day, nor the beasts of the field by night.
11: And it was told David what Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, the concubine of Saul, had done.
12: And David went and took the bones of Saul and the bones of Jonathan his son from the men of Jabesh-gilead, which had stolen them from the street of Beth-shan, where the Philistines had hanged them, when the Philistines had slain Saul in Gilboa:
13: And he brought up from thence the bones of Saul and the bones of Jonathan his son; and they gathered the bones of them that were hanged.
14: And the bones of Saul and Jonathan his son buried they in the country of Benjamin in Zelah, in the sepulchre of Kish his father: and they performed all that the king commanded. And after that God was intreated for the land. 2 Samuel 21:1-14

Saul commited the sin. He was their Legislator. The land of Israel had FAMINE for three years just because HE sinned. Then seven of his decendants were HANGED to make atonement.

Much misery because one Governor sinned.

I repeat, not ONE thing you have posted so far PROVES that God Punished California because of what the legislator did. Nothing. Second, you missed that God spared one of them too. Maybe you need to find out why. But it was YOUR analogy to use Sodom and God would have spares Sodom if there were only 10 Righteous.

Sauls Family followed Saul, except Jonathan. He sided with David. So they were NOT innocent either.

Michael Phelps · #**132** 10-25-2007, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

I repeat, not ONE thing you have posted so far PROVES that God Punished California because of what the legislator did. Nothing. Second, you missed that God spared one of them too. Maybe you need to find out why. But it was YOUR analogy to use Sodom and God would have spares Sodom if there were only 10 Righteous.

Sauls Family followed Saul, except Jonathan. He sided with David. So they were NOT innocent either.

I'd like for Michael the Disciple to post all the scriptures where men, and especially kings, were evil, God hating persecutors, and yet they died natural deaths? And, moreover, not only did they live full lives, but were wealthy during their lifetimes?

This "God punishes the wicked and blesses the good" all the time theory doesn't hold water. Sometimes good things happen to bad people, and bad things happen to good people.

Just read Psalm 73, and you'll get a great picture of the travails and woes of a righteous man who watches his unrighteous neighbors prosper.

The difference is in the afterlife - that's where the wicked perish and the righteous live forever.

Esther · #**133** 10-25-2007, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by AmazingGrace

Goodness whats up with all the new quacks on here all the sudden or old quacks acting quackier... Is it a full moon again??!?!?!?!?

It is.

AmazingGrace · #**134** 10-25-2007, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Esther

It is.

I knew it had to be!!! I didnt go out and look... I was skeered they might find me!!!

Michael The Disciple · #**135** 10-25-2007, 10:26 AM

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Prax said

The Christians....so now you are saying the Christians deserved it? You are not posting one shred of evidence that proves of all the fire seasons this one in particular was from God....it would have happened anyways. They always do

You are taking me out of context. I meant the Christians have become de sensitized to the point they dont think California deserves judgment. I was not implying the Christians there deserve judgment.

As you recall I have already stated Im sure there are some Godly Christians in California.

Now concerning the rest. I am not trying to prove to you this was the judgment of God. I believe it is. I cannot go to the Bible and say "God said he will punish California for its sins".

But as a Bible reader for many years his priciples are very clear on the matter. God has not retired from being actively involved in the affairs of men. It appears some must think he has.

You say you cannot think of anything in your lifetime where you believe he has intervened in the affairs of men. Yet read the books of Kings or Chronicles. Or Judges or Samuel. You will see that YHWH followed along with all the affairs of the rulers in Israel.

Over and over again it describes their sins and how he answered them. Since he is the same yesterday, today, and forever I imagine he still is interested in the works of men today.

Your defense of California is very loyal. Yet you dont see your state like others see it. The flood of fornication from there has been non stop ever since I can remember. Certainly there is a righteous remnant there and certainly there is fornication elsewhere.

What is the must staggering thing to me is the reaction Im getting simply for stating what Preachers preach every day that God will punish nations for sins. Altho the more I live the more I see that "preaching" is to a great degree mere showmanship any more. Just "hot sermons" for the praise of men.

Then when God DOES punish a place because of sin they cant bear to hear it.

Many times I have thanked Jesus that his judgments against this nation have thus far been FAR LESS than we deserve.

Every where you look its sin. Everything you hear is sin.

So I stick to my belief God is judging California. He is judging America.

My goodness if people cant see the hand of God in something like this it makes me wonder will they be able to see his hand in anything?

There are much greater judgments knocking on America's door. When they hit many will continue on in their thinking it is not the Lords hand. Some will never see his hand in anything. The God of the Bible is real and he is sovereign.

In short California has been crying for judgment for a long time. Now they are forcing their public servants to participate in Sodomite parades. They are making laws where you must passivly sit by while your children are taught the praises of Sodom. It is something good and positive. If you speak against it you can be punished.

250000 people or more have been evacuated from their homes.

I believe it is a wake up call. Yes it will probably die down and we will begin the pouring out of tax dollars to fix the problems as usual.

Friends it has been said "God has more disasters than America has money".

It is a serious time.

Fear God. Love God. Seek his face. Obey his commands. You will be saved.

#**136** 10-25-2007, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Yes its true. The Almighty has not forgotten what goes on in this world. Just of late several things have happened we should have took note of. The California lawmakers have shoved legislation through to bless the preaching of Sodom in their schools.

A little while back also San Diego forced their firefighters to take part in a wicked gay pride day celebration at the risk of being fired.

Californication is/was whatever its current state a wicked statement about this State. Sorry friends I know many may be indignant about this but have you forgotten the example of Sodom?

What RAINED DOWN ON SODOM?

WHO SENT IT?

If this wasn't so silly it would be funny! Why do you people put every terrible thing that happens as God's revenge...if that were true the whole world would be on fire and this would be the end....

Michael Phelps · #**137** 10-25-2007, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

You are taking me out of context. I meant the Christians have become de sensitized to the point they dont think California deserves judgment. I was not implying the Christians there deserve judgment.

As you recall I have already stated Im sure there are some Godly Christians in California.

Now concerning the rest. I am not trying to prove to you this was the judgment of God. I believe it is. I cannot go to the Bible and say "God said he will punish California for its sins".

But as a Bible reader for many years his priciples are very clear on the matter. God has not retired from being actively involved in the affairs of men. It appears some must think he has.

You say you cannot think of anything in your lifetime where you believe he has intervened in the affairs of men. Yet read the books of Kings or Chronicles. Or Judges or Samuel. You will see that YHWH followed along with all the affairs of the rulers in Israel.

Over and over again it describes their sins and how he answered them. Since he is the same yesterday, today, and forever I imagine he still is interested in the works of men today.

Your defense of California is very loyal. Yet you dont see your state like others see it. The flood of fornication from there has been non stop ever since I can remember. Certainly there is a righteous remnant there and certainly there is fornication elsewhere.

What is the must staggering thing to me is the reaction Im getting simply for stating what Preachers preach every day that God will punish nations for sins. Altho the more I live the more I see that "preaching" is to a great degree mere showmanship any more. Just "hot sermons" for the praise of men.

Then when God DOES punish a place because of sin they cant bear to hear it.

Many times I have thanked Jesus that his judgments against this nation have thus far been FAR LESS than we deserve.

Every where you look its sin. Everything you hear is sin.

So I stick to my belief God is judging California. He is judging America.

My goodness if people cant see the hand of God in something like this it makes me wonder will they be able to see his hand in anything?

There are much greater judgments knocking on America's door. When they hit many will continue on in their thinking it is not the Lords hand. Some will never see his hand in anything. The God of the Bible is real and he is sovereign.

In short California has been crying for judgment for a long time. Now they are forcing their public servants to participate in Sodomite parades. They are making laws where you must passivly sit by while your children are taught the praises of Sodom. It is something good and positive. If you speak against it you can be punished.

250000 people or more have been evacuated from their homes.

I believe it is a wake up call. Yes it will probably die down and we will begin the pouring out of tax dollars to fix the problems as usual.

Friends it has been said "God has more disasters than America has money".

It is a serious time.

Fear God. Love God. Seek his face. Obey his commands. You will be saved.

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I'd like for Michael the Disciple to post all the scriptures where men, and especially kings, were evil, God hating persecutors, and yet they died natural deaths? And, moreover, not only did they live full lives, but were wealthy during their lifetimes?

This "God punishes the wicked and blesses the good" all the time theory doesn't hold water. Sometimes good things happen to bad people, and bad things happen to good people.

Just read Psalm 73, and you'll get a great picture of the travails and woes of a righteous man who watches his unrighteous neighbors prosper.

The difference is in the afterlife - that's where the wicked perish and the righteous live forever.