Mark of the Beast may be only 2 1/2 years away

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Trump comes back?

Trump is the Beast?

Biden is the Failed Prophet?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

Sis, you're talking about the 1000 year reign. What about....

Dueteronomy 7:9
"Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations."

Its beens said a generation is 30 or 40 years, that would mean his mercy to his followers could 30-40 thousand years. The 1000 year reign looks mighty small compared to a 1000 generations.

Is the thousand generations strictly literal? Or does it not mean "a very large number of generations", or in other words, for a LOOOOOOONG time?

Would that not also be the implication of the thousand years? Revelation has numerous time statements - 1260 days, 42 months, 5 months, 10 days, an hour... and "the thousand years". Which seems to imply that the thousand years represents a time period vastly exceeding the previously mentioned time periods.

In other words, "a mighty long time".

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Oh boy, something tells me I should have watched a video that is posted in this thread?

Well, the first post has a video from 2022 saying the mark of the beast was 2 and a half years away. Which, at the moment, leaves about 8 months left. So...

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Monterrey

Sorry, haven't logged on for ever.

In dispensational teaching they teach that the toes are still growing. Dispensational teaching is that we are still in the toes. Thus 2k long toes.

I'll see if I can find an old chart, either Darby or Schofield, one of them has the image of Daniel with 2k year long toes.

While we are waiting for Bowas' response, I thought I would take a tangent on the subject of those "toes".

Daniel 2:31-45 KJV
Thou, O king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible. [32] This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass, [33] His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay. [34] Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces. [35] Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth. [36] This is the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king. [37] Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory. [38] And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold. [39] And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth. [40] And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise. [41] And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay. [42] And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. [43] And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. [44] And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. [45] Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

This is the prophetic dream given to Nebuchadnezzar as revealed and interpreted by Daniel. It consists of essentially two parts - the dream, and the interpretation. The dream is symbolic, the interpretation is the meaning of the symbolism.

The symbol is that of a human statue, a statue of man, with various parts made of various substances. These various parts are declared to represent or symbolize various succeeding "kingdoms" that would rule over "the whole earth". Clearly, since the first part (the head of gold) is identified as Nebuchadnezzar's own kingdom, the "whole earth" means the area we know as the "near east" and the "Mediterranean" area, ie the "ancient world". It is not a referance to "the entire planet from Arctic to Antarctic and from China to America and all points in between."

There is no statement regarding how long each power would last except for the final power, which is represented by the stone cut out without hands which grows into a great mountain to fill the earth and which is said to represent the kingdom of God which is to "never be destroyed", thus implying it would be a lasting permanent fixture throughout all time.

The relative sizes of the portions of the statue image do not seem to correspond to anything and are irrelevant. There is no mention of any significance as to their proportions. The third kingdom, that of Greece, was shorter in duration than that of either the Persians or the Romans, yet it is represented by "belly and thighs" which would normally be a relatively large part of a body compared to the other parts. So, the relative sizes of the designated body sections says nothing whatsoever about any duration that each kingdom would last. The length of time covered by each section of the statue is simply not in view. It is a statue of a man, consisting of several parts made of differing substances. We are told there is a succession in time from one part to the next, but nothing about how long each part would last.

So, making charts with giant elongated toes is simply silly, and it is equally silly to suggest that "if the toes are still around they must be really long toes". Why? Because each section represents a change in human governance, and does NOT represent any particular time span.

[Esaias]

Daniel 2:44 KJV
And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

A good question to ask is "what kings are being referred to here? And what kingdoms are being spoken of?"

Daniel 2:41-43 KJV

And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay. [42] And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. [43] And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

In this imagery, the toes are referred to as representing a condition of a single kingdom (the fourth iron kingdom, apparently). While Daniel 7 goes into more detail about what grows out of the fourth kingdom, such detail is not found here. The ten toes are not said to represent any particularity themselves, as far as their number and location is concerned, only in regards to their substance being symbolic of the partly strong-partly weak character of the divided fourth kingdom of iron. So then it seems that "these kings" is NOT a reference to the toes in themselves, but instead is a reference to the rulers of each of the four component parts of the statue. "These kingdoms" then is a reference to the same four kingdoms represented by the whole statue.

Which then raises the question... when was the kingdom of God "set up"? Many try to say it was during the days of the kings represented by the toes, but that as we have just seen is clearly not in view. To put it simply, in the days of these kings means during the time of THE STATUE. That is to say, as the statue represents human dominance and governance, it would be during that time that God would set up a Divine Kingdom.

Which simply means that the kingdom of God would NOT be set up AFTER THE FALL OF HUMAN GOVERNMENT (thus refuting some of the more fanciful futurist interpretations of prophecy). Rather, the kingdom of God would be set up CONCURRENTLY with the kingdoms of men. It would grow and increase until eventually displacing the kingdoms of men, and would then never go away.

It would "break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms", that is to say, the reign of man (represented by Babylon, the Persian, the Greek, and the Roman empires) would be destroyed and replaced by the reign of God. Nothing requires all four kingdoms to be simultaneously existing at the time of this Great Replacement (see what I did there?) of the four component parts of the statue.

The only timing element that might be in view is in the dream wherein the Stone smashes the human statue on the feet. Meaning that it would be during the divided "iron mixed with clay" phase of the fourth kingdom that the human empire represented by the statue would be destroyed by the kingdom of God. But once again we have to keep in mind there is no indication of how long any of this would take.

It should also be pointed out that each of these four successive human kingdoms are essentially GENTILE kingdoms, that is to say, they are representative of not merely human society, but GODLESS and UNCOVENANTED human society. They are "the heathen empires" contrasted with the kingdom of Jehovah. And what is the kingdom of Jehovah?

Psalm 114:1-2 KJV
When Israel went out of Egypt, the house of Jacob from a people of strange language; [2] Judah was his sanctuary, and Israel his dominion.

1 Chronicles 17:11-15 KJV
And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom. [12] He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever. [13] I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee: [14] But I will settle him in mine house and in my kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore. [15] According to all these words, and according to all this vision, so did Nathan speak unto David.

1 Chronicles 28:4-5 KJV
Howbeit the LORD God of Israel chose me before all the house of my father to be king over Israel for ever: for he hath chosen Judah to be the ruler; and of the house of Judah, the house of my father; and among the sons of my father he liked me to make me king over all Israel: [5] And of all my sons, (for the LORD hath given me many sons,) he hath chosen Solomon my son to sit upon the throne of the kingdom of the LORD over Israel.

2 Chronicles 13:6-8 KJV
Yet Jeroboam the son of Nebat, the servant of Solomon the son of David, is risen up, and hath rebelled against his lord. [7] And there are gathered unto him vain men, the children of Belial, and have strengthened themselves against Rehoboam the son of Solomon, when Rehoboam was young and tenderhearted, and could not withstand them. [8] And now ye think to withstand the kingdom of the LORD in the hand of the sons of David; and ye be a great multitude, and there are with you golden calves, which Jeroboam made you for gods.

While it is true that in a general sense all of creation is the Lord's kingdom, there is a special sense in which Israel is spoken of as the Lord's kingdom in contradistinction to the heathen kingdoms and powers.

[loran adkins]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Now that's a new one. The final judgment was to the nation of Israel not to the world or Gentile nations. So the world and the Gentile nations were not subject to the second death to begin with, it did not apply to them.

Which means what? Either there never was and never can be "salvation" for the world and the Gentile nations, or we have no idea what the fate of the world and Gentile nations is after death since the Bible doesn't address that.

As for anyone forgetting that the Bible was written to and for Israel, yes people do seem to forget that. They also seem to forger that Israel was to become a multitude of nations (literally "gentiles") and most of them were legally declared to be "gentiles" way back in Hosea. But that's a different subject than the fate of all humans after death.

What is death? Jesus told the woman at the well in Sameria that " if you believe in me you shall never die" how does that work in the way you see things? Where does it say or talk about the fate of all humans? If we are talking about only the nation of Israel, and I am talking about the whole nation not just Judah or Israel as they are spoken of in Rev. as the twelve tribes. The judgement was to the apostate Israel as a whole.

You can make your play on words all you want, but we that were not of the natural seed of Abraham are become of the seed of Abraham by faith in Christ in the new covenant. The old covenant had to come to an end in order for the new covenant to come into place in all its fullness. The old covenant came to its final end at the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple. This was the end of all prophecy as I see it.

[loran adkins]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Daniel 2:44 KJV
And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

A good question to ask is "what kings are being referred to here? And what kingdoms are being spoken of?"

Daniel 2:41-43 KJV

And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay. [42] And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. [43] And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

In this imagery, the toes are referred to as representing a condition of a single kingdom (the fourth iron kingdom, apparently). While Daniel 7 goes into more detail about what grows out of the fourth kingdom, such detail is not found here. The ten toes are not said to represent any particularity themselves, as far as their number and location is concerned, only in regards to their substance being symbolic of the partly strong-partly weak character of the divided fourth kingdom of iron. So then it seems that "these kings" is NOT a reference to the toes in themselves, but instead is a reference to the rulers of each of the four component parts of the statue. "These kingdoms" then is a reference to the same four kingdoms represented by the whole statue.

Which then raises the question... when was the kingdom of God "set up"? Many try to say it was during the days of the kings represented by the toes, but that as we have just seen is clearly not in view. To put it simply, in the days of these kings means during the time of THE STATUE. That is to say, as the statue represents human dominance and governance, it would be during that time that God would set up a Divine Kingdom.

Which simply means that the kingdom of God would NOT be set up AFTER THE FALL OF HUMAN GOVERNMENT (thus refuting some of the more fanciful futurist interpretations of prophecy). Rather, the kingdom of God would be set up CONCURRENTLY with the kingdoms of men. It would grow and increase until eventually displacing the kingdoms of men, and would then never go away.

It would "break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms", that is to say, the reign of man (represented by Babylon, the Persian, the Greek, and the Roman empires) would be destroyed and replaced by the reign of God. Nothing requires all four kingdoms to be simultaneously existing at the time of this Great Replacement (see what I did there?) of the four component parts of the statue.

The only timing element that might be in view is in the dream wherein the Stone smashes the human statue on the feet. Meaning that it would be during the divided "iron mixed with clay" phase of the fourth kingdom that the human empire represented by the statue would be destroyed by the kingdom of God. But once again we have to keep in mind there is no indication of how long any of this would take.

It should also be pointed out that each of these four successive human kingdoms are essentially GENTILE kingdoms, that is to say, they are representative of not merely human society, but GODLESS and UNCOVENANTED human society. They are "the heathen empires" contrasted with the kingdom of Jehovah. And what is the kingdom of Jehovah?

Psalm 114:1-2 KJV
When Israel went out of Egypt, the house of Jacob from a people of strange language; [2] Judah was his sanctuary, and Israel his dominion.

1 Chronicles 17:11-15 KJV
And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom. [12] He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever. [13] I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee: [14] But I will settle him in mine house and in my kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore. [15] According to all these words, and according to all this vision, so did Nathan speak unto David.

1 Chronicles 28:4-5 KJV
Howbeit the LORD God of Israel chose me before all the house of my father to be king over Israel for ever: for he hath chosen Judah to be the ruler; and of the house of Judah, the house of my father; and among the sons of my father he liked me to make me king over all Israel: [5] And of all my sons, (for the LORD hath given me many sons,) he hath chosen Solomon my son to sit upon the throne of the kingdom of the LORD over Israel.

2 Chronicles 13:6-8 KJV
Yet Jeroboam the son of Nebat, the servant of Solomon the son of David, is risen up, and hath rebelled against his lord. [7] And there are gathered unto him vain men, the children of Belial, and have strengthened themselves against Rehoboam the son of Solomon, when Rehoboam was young and tenderhearted, and could not withstand them. [8] And now ye think to withstand the kingdom of the LORD in the hand of the sons of David; and ye be a great multitude, and there are with you golden calves, which Jeroboam made you for gods.

While it is true that in a general sense all of creation is the Lord's kingdom, there is a special sense in which Israel is spoken of as the Lord's kingdom in contradistinction to the heathen kingdoms and powers.

Just as the Lord ruled the nation of Israel, he now rules the whole world.

[Sister Alvear]

One thing for certain...He will return....

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

One thing for certain...He will return....

Sister, are the people who have died currently sleeping in death?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by loran adkins

Just as the Lord ruled the nation of Israel, he now rules the whole world.

He was already ruling the whole world long before Nebuchadnezzar was born:

Psalm 22:27-28 KJV
All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the Lord : and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee. [28] For the kingdom is the Lord's : and he is the governor among the nations.

Deuteronomy 32:8 KJV
When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.

Psalm 47:2 KJV
For the Lord most high is terrible; he is a great King over all the earth.

Daniel 4:17 KJV
This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.