The doctrine of subsequence

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Luke

Yes but not just sanctified Upton a point but as it says in 1 Thessalonians 523,24 wholly sanctified.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 5:24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

Does your doctrine imply that our soul and body can be sanctifed but not our spirit? or that our spirit and body can be sanctified but not our soul? or that our body can be sanctified but not our spirit and soul? Or can part of our spirit be unsanctified?

It would also appear to be saying that God is the sanctifier and we are the sanctified.

[Luke]

The term used to describe the extent of what is offered is WHOLLY. In other words all of the man/woman is sanctified and none remains unsanctified. Also you are correct sanctification a work of grace that is wrought by in us.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Does your view allow for spiritual growth are we fully mature when filled with the Spirit?

Yes we must grow in grace and in knowledge but these do Morale us holy which is what sanctification does.Sanctification pills out the weed of Carmelita so that good deeds can grow and grow more rapidly.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

How do we crucify the flesh?

By the blood of Jesus and faith in His name.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

I am confused by your statement. The Corinthian saints had many fleshly faults but Paul didn't hesitate to declare them sanctified. Your version of what it means to be sanctified is at odds with this verse. From what I gather we are sanctified by faith and the Holy Spirit. Acts 26:18, Romans 15:16

1 Corinthians 6:11
And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Paul never calls of the corruption church saints and he never says that all of the Corinthian church is carnal.

1 Corinthians 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:


Notice there is more than one group spoken of here.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

I don't think the fleshly sinful nature is ever completely destroyed otherwise the command for us to deny ourselves and take up our crosses would only have to be done once and not on a daily basis. Luke 9:23

Romans 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

That word destroy means to render ineffective or to do away with its influence or to annul or abolish to cause to cease to do away with

[Luke]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

I don't think the fleshly sinful nature is ever completely destroyed otherwise the command for us to deny ourselves and take up our crosses would only have to be done once and not on a daily basis. Luke 9:23

This passage still applies in that the flesh though done away still seeks to get back in so we must keep it out.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Luke

.Sanctification pills out the weed of Carmelita so that good deeds can grow and grow more rapidly.

I know this is a serious discussion and all, and I have no idea how that got in there, but man that's funny right there.

'The weed of Carmelita'.

(Not making fun of you, I just had an uncontrollable fit of laughter when I read 'the weed of carmelita'. I don't know if you are using google translate or something, or if something just got lost in transmission, but man... that is funny.)

[renee819]

Yes, Esaias, it made me smile also, ----With, whaooo, where did tha come from?

[Luke]

Lol I have know idea where that came from it must have been auto correct spelling. should have said pulls the weeds of carnality.

My bad I was on my phone .