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10-27-2010, 01:06 AM
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Re: Welcome Azzan Thread
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Originally Posted by Charnock
Several have suggested he does need to repent, to many jeers.
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Ohhhh, okay. See, now we have something reasonable to discuss. 
I'm not on board with the mockery. Better?
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10-27-2010, 01:07 AM
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Re: Welcome Azzan Thread
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
Who said He was "engaging in their perversions?????" If He was in the vicinity of an adulteress, was He "engaging in her perversion?" What about around a liar or a thief?
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Sister, the thief repented? Didn't one repent, and the other didn't?
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10-27-2010, 01:09 AM
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Re: Welcome Azzan Thread
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Sister, the thief repented? Didn't one repent, and the other didn't?
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Why are you confusing "caring" with "salvation?" I didn't say that we're all saved before we repent; I said that God cared for us before we repented. If your view is that He didn't care for us until we repented, then I consider that to be absolutely incorrect.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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10-27-2010, 01:13 AM
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Re: Welcome Azzan Thread
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Originally Posted by Bowas
A question I have is why would this individual feel it was important to identify his/her sin? This is not a counceling forum or any place where one's sin's (prior or present) need to be aired.
If one is repented, it is under the blood and there it should remain. Why must certain groups always seem to be seeking an identity. We were all sinners but it is no ones buisness what sins that we are tempted with.
If they are Apostolic, they are no longer gay, if they are gay, they are not Apostolic.
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Amazing isn't it? Yet, we are living in a politically correct society where homosexuals are the people's pet. They are in need of repentance like all others who are tangled in sexual perversion. Plain and simple. When it use to be held under wraps now it is vogue to stick everyone's face in it.
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10-27-2010, 01:19 AM
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Re: Welcome Azzan Thread
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
Why are you confusing "caring" with "salvation?" I didn't say that we're all saved before we repent; I said that God cared for us before we repented. If your view is that He didn't care for us until we repented, then I consider that to be absolutely incorrect.
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Sister, answer me this, in Matthew was Jesus answering the Jews on why He was with the publicans? Yes, or no?
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10-27-2010, 01:23 AM
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Re: Welcome Azzan Thread
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Sister, answer me this, in Matthew was Jesus answering the Jews on why He was with the publicans? Yes, or no?
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Absolutely. We're in agreement regarding His purpose.
Had He already accomplished His purpose at the point when the question was asked? Yes, or no?
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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10-27-2010, 01:33 AM
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Re: Welcome Azzan Thread
1Co 6:9-11
"have ye not known that the unrighteous the reign of God shall not inherit? be not led astray; neither whoremongers, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor EFFEMINATE, nor SODOMITES, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, the reign of God shall inherit. And certain of you WERE these! but ye were washed, but ye were sanctified, but ye were declared righteous, in the name of the Lord Jesus, and in the Spirit of our God."
Eph 5:11-12
"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret."
Mat 9:11-13 "And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners? But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to REPENTANCE."
Jesus didn't contradict Paul, nor did Paul contradict Jesus. Everything was based on repentance. No repentance, no fellowship. Jesus was answering the Jews, on why He was allowing the publicans to sit with Him. Mary washed Jesus' feet with her tears of repentance, and dried His feet with her long uncut hair. Yet, when Simon the leper thought Jesus was a false prophet because of Jesus allowing the woman to touch Him, Jesus drew attention to her repentant heart.
Jesus wasn't and wouldn't allow an unrepentant prostitute to kiss His feet, and if she was an unrepentant prostitute kissing His feet, Jesus would of had no explanation for their accusations.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
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10-27-2010, 01:41 AM
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Re: Welcome Azzan Thread
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Absolutely. We're in agreement regarding His purpose.
Had He already accomplished His purpose at the point when the question was asked? Yes, or no?
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The point is, He was in the process of preaching, and therefore He gave the retort of the well needing no physician. Again, Jesus was not in fellowship with them. He replies to the accusation of fellowship, with the answer that His only purpose was to convert them.
How about Paul? Why is he telling a church family to remove a member who was engaging in incest with his mother?
1Co 5:1-2
"It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be TAKEN AWAY FROM AMONG YOU."
Those who are unrepentant, or actively engaging in their debauchery, are in no way to be fellowshipped until they have repented and been restored.
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10-27-2010, 02:20 AM
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Re: Welcome Azzan Thread
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Originally Posted by Monterrey
Aha!
Azzan,
With love and charity,
You must repent of your sins, (sodomy), and forsake those sins. Just as any that follow iniquity must do.
That includes adulterers, fornicators, thieves and liars.
Apostolics must not condone this sin, but must stand firm that there is repentence.
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I don't see anyone condoning the sin of sodomy, do you?
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-27-2010, 02:24 AM
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Re: Welcome Azzan Thread
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Originally Posted by UltraCon
Keep in mind that we are not dealing with a brand new person to Pentecost here.
Azzan claims to have been around truth for a long time. He/She knows the truth and is looking for justification here.
I'm not going to take part in justifying homosexuality or any other type of sin.
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He doesn't seem to be looking for justification nor is anyone justifying any sexual sins, not limited to but including relations with the same sex.
There are a lot more Azzan's in our ranks, including those that were raised in Pentecost, who are silent about what they struggle with. They are silent but in need of help. Silent, and never getting help, because they fear what the hate mongers will say or do. Sad
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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