I'd so like to know the circumstances of his first marriage. Paul commanded that spouses not defraud one another of intimacy on the grounds that Satan would tempt them. Was his wife fulfilling her duty or did she leave him for the wolves?
It still doesn't matter, Aquila. If she was in the wrong, he should have dealt with that issue correctly. Isn't a leader supposed to have wisdom?
Well, we would have to find a position that parallels our current "pastor", since it's a pastoral position we were initially discussing. The "positions" we're talking about in our current time weren't in the Bible, so we couldn't find an example either way.
I think it completely depends upon what you've done, and what your position entailed. What you were "leading" in your leadership position. In our church, musicians, Sunday School teachers and more have been immediately restored after they've repented. But if the pastor commits adultery, he's not going to be back in the pulpit the next week.
When the Bible said that a leader must be blameless, etc, what do you think that meant?
Well first, if there's not a position in the bible that's parallel to our present position of pastor, we've got a problem! That being said, tell my any biblical example of any position where the sinful party wasn't restored back to his/her position.
So would you allow that pastor back in seven weeks?
So I contend that what Peter did as Christ was being crucified is as bad as adultery, if not worse, considering the circumstances and considering the awfulness of what he said. He preached the sermon that birthed the church 7 weeks later.
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So an elder must be a man whose life is above reproach. He must be faithful to his wife. He must exercise self-control, live wisely, and have a good reputation. He must enjoy having guests in his home, and he must be able to teach.
How do we apply it? What does it mean?
A good reputation is something you work towards and earn. And you can lose it.
We have posted together on multiple forums that go back all the way to Jim Yohe I think. I don't have any interest in discussing personal circumstances on a public forum. It is neither profitable nor appropriate. If you have a good pastor I'm sure that he will give you good counsel on this matter.
We have posted together on multiple forums that go back all the way to Jim Yohe I think. I don't have any interest in discussing personal circumstances on a public forum. It is neither profitable nor appropriate. If you have a good pastor I'm sure that he will give you good counsel on this matter.
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Well first, if there's not a position in the bible that's parallel to our present position of pastor, we've got a problem! That being said, tell my any biblical example of any position where the sinful party wasn't restored back to his/her position.
So would you allow that pastor back in seven weeks?
So I contend that what Peter did as Christ was being crucified is as bad as adultery, if not worse, considering the circumstances and considering the awfulness of what he said. He preached the sermon that birthed the church 7 weeks later.
What about consequences? David and Bathsheba comes to mind when I think of someone who, on a spiritual level, was completely restored. Bathsheba became a good wife to the king -but they suffered years of physical consequences that went beyond their life spans, as a result of his/their initial sin.
Moses sinned and while the bible is not clear on the details still seemed close to God at the end, yet was not allowed into the promised land. Did he end up in heaven when he died? I don't think there is anyone who doubts that, but he did pay a price while still alive.
That being said, tell my any biblical example of any position where the sinful party wasn't restored back to his/her position.
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