Contract Question - Page 14

"GL" · #**131** 02-25-2009, 02:33 PM

Agreeing with the idea of a leadership covenant or contract and agreeing with this one in particular are two different issues. I think leadership should absolutely be held to a higher standard. Personally, I would have a hard time signing this one...

To those who oppose this, do you oppose the entire idea of a written leadership covenant or this one in particular?

Pressing-On · #**132** 02-25-2009, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I think you're assuming it's a new or different contract. I didn't see anything in the first post that says existing members of ministry were never before required to sign the contract.

That said, it has to start sometime. LOL!!! (If it starts at all) So at some point everyone had to sign it for the first time.

Look, I just don't see this as the Big Bad Church is making people agree to be good little boys and girls. I see it as a way for people to either make themselves accountable when they are in leadership, and/or for the church to ask them to commit to certain teachings/guidelines.

How is this different from the special qualifications laid out for bishops in the NT? Do we find any similar list for saints?

All Christians should be exhibiting the fruits of the spirit and avoiding the works of the flesh. But then Paul added to those basics for bishops. Why? And how was it used, practically speaking, back in the day?

Is there a big difference between a verbal requirement/commitment and a written one?

My only sad feelings about it is - Didn't they expect spirit filled people to do all these things anyway - well - except for - I will be faithful in prayer, evangelism and attendance, placing my own plans and schedules second to my position of ministry on the platform.

I can't go for that one, at all. It's God, family and church - in that order - all the time!

"GL" · #**133** 02-25-2009, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

My only sad feelings about it is - Didn't they expect spirit filled people to do all these things anyway - well - except for - I will be faithful in prayer, evangelism and attendance, placing my own plans and schedules second to my position of ministry on the platform.

I can't go for that one, at all. It's God, family and church - in that order - all the time!

If we see our ministry service as part of our service unto God, why give it third place priority? We tend to recite the "1. God, 2. family, 3. church" priority list like it is scripture.

As a pastor, I can understand this point. I would have worded it differently. As written, it appears that vacations, conferences, out-of-town weddings and funerals occuring over the weekend would not be acceptable. I would guess that this particular pastor did not intend to insinuate such, but that is how it is written. I would definitely not have someone in leadership who would miss church for little Johnny's soccer game.

Pressing-On · #**134** 02-25-2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by "GL"

If we see our ministry service as service unto God, why give it thrid place priority?

I believe that if you don't take care of the first two - God and family - you cannot have a healthy church.

"GL" · #**135** 02-25-2009, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I believe that if you don't take care of the first two - God and family - you cannot have a healthy church.

Must one be sacrificed? I definitely believe that you must have a healthy relationship with God and with family. No arguement there. But why do we always call church or ministry or service out as something so far removed our relationship with God. Ministry service is a response of my relationship with God. IT is a natural byproduct of that relationship. For me, it is not just an optional activity. It is a calling...

Digging4Truth · #**136** 02-25-2009, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by "GL"

Agreeing with the idea of a leadership covenant or contract and agreeing with this one in particular are two different issues. I think leadership should absolutely be held to a higher standard. Personally, I would have a hard time signing this one...

To those who oppose this, do you oppose the entire idea of a written leadership covenant or this one in particular?

I am opposed to the entire idea.

Pressing-On · #**137** 02-25-2009, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by "GL"

Must one be sacrificed?

I don't believe that any are sacrificed when you take care of them in the proper order. It can only produce proper balance for all.

Sherri · #**138** 02-25-2009, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

So if you attended this church and you were in ministry for a number of years and the contract provided in the opening post was provided for you to sign....

What would you do?

Well, I would either sign it and live by it, or I would have to step down. Personally, I couldn't sign it. But then I personally probably would never have been in that church to begin with, so it's a moot point.

Digging4Truth · #**139** 02-25-2009, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by "GL"

Must one be sacrificed?

It is not necessarily so that one must be sacrificed but one must find and practice balance.

MissBrattified · #**140** 02-25-2009, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

My only sad feelings about it is - Didn't they expect spirit filled people to do all these things anyway - well - except for - I will be faithful in prayer, evangelism and attendance, placing my own plans and schedules second to my position of ministry on the platform.

I can't go for that one, at all. It's God, family and church - in that order - all the time!

I don't think it's the specifics of the contract that matter. It's whether a church has the right to ask extra of those in ministry. In my opinion, they do have that right.

I don't agree with several of the specifics on the contract, and I most likely would NOT sign it. But then again, why attend a church that requires these kinds of things in the first place, if you're not in agreement with at least most of them?