Sweet Pea, I do understand what you are saying, and I guess that still goes back to the heart of my question and frustration. Are we to the point now where we are accepting the murder of millions of babies and are satisfied to give our vote to people in power (the ones who could do something) based on their verbal disagreement with it? If so, it is just further evidence of how the moral majority was silenced and pacified by rhetoric for 35 years. Personally, I'm not sure which is worse...someone who believes that abortion is murder and does not do everything in their power to stop it, or someone who genuinely does not believe that abortion is murder in the scientific, religious, and moral sense and therefore doesn't do anything about it.
Either abortion is murder or it isn't. In my opinion if abortion is murder, the conservatives in our country should have approached it with the same passion and demand for action on every level as if a million ten-year-olds were being executed every year. I reject the notion that something could not have been done in 35 years if the majority of Americans had flexed their muscles and demanded it. Instead the GOP found a happy place where they could champion it but not have to do much about it.
It is crazy then for them to approach my generation of pro-life Americans with the same tired talking point. Unless I know exactly what you are pledging to do about abortion, don't try to use it as a religious lever to guarantee my vote. I am looking for the specific plan of action that I can hold you to and judge you by after your term.
What DOES matter in this election is the what Supreme Court nominees that the elected President will recommend to the Senate to be put on the bench. A pro-life nominee could reverse Roe v. Wade.
Even at that, we have a Democratic controlled Senate, so they will not vote for a pro-life candidate without a MAJOR fight!
If the President is pro-choice, a pro-choice nominee will DEFINITELY be appointed!
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There is a board that a friend of mine directed me to. There are so many over there in the political area saying that they as african americans now feel renewed in this race too because they dont all feel that Obama is right for them and they thought Hillary was their only option but they feel that even though Palin is a republican she represents the real people more so they feel she should get their vote. I was surprised by this but its a good thing.
Does that mean you could vote for a pro choice candidate?
Whoah, tough question. I never have voted for a pro-choice candidate, and I really may not vote this election. I am nearing the point, however, where I will not allow that to be a deciding factor if neither side is pledging to do anything substantive about it. I am afraid that partisan politics has destroyed our democracy. I wish we could just make our decisions purely on the person whose platform and pledged actions matched our ideals.
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What DOES matter in this election is the what Supreme Court nominees that the elected President will recommend to the Senate to be put on the bench. A pro-life nominee could reverse Roe v. Wade.
Even at that, we have a Democratic controlled Senate, so they will not vote for a pro-life candidate without a MAJOR fight!
If the President is pro-choice, a pro-choice nominee will DEFINITELY be appointed!
PM, what I have been saying about the failures in the last 35 years is simple. If the moral majority really believed that abortion was murder and acted on it and demanded action, then every Senator would be pro-life, every elected judge would be pro-life, every State Legislator would be pro-life...and they would be pro-life not just in the rhetorical sense, but in the governing sense. There was a window of opportunity when abortion was not common place and institutionalized, and it was during that window that the conservatives allowed themselves to be lullabied into a rhetorical stance on a very real and important issue.
I will not allow the rhetoric to work on me. It is unfair to the souls of those millions who have been murdered.
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Palin was originally baptized as a Roman Catholic, but her parents switched to the Wasilla Assembly of God, a Pentecostal church, where she was rebaptized at age 12 or 13. When she is in the capital, she attends Juneau Christian Center, another Assemblies of God church. Her current home church in Wasilla is The Church on the Rock, an independent congregation. Although initial reports described her as the first Pentecostal ever named to a major party’s presidential ticket, Palin describes herself as a non-denominational Christian.
In regards to Governor Palin being a member or attending Church on the Rock, this is a statement about her church involvement. Before running for Governor of Alaska she frequently attended Church on the Rock for approximately one year. Since that time she has visited on occasion and now attends Wasilla Bible Church with her family. Wasilla Bible Church is a life giving church that has blessed our community. Governor Palin is a wonderful Christian woman with outstanding leadership qualities. Our prayers are with the Governor and her family.
In Christ,
Pastor David Pepper
Just thought I’d share this with my readers. Interesting to say the least.
PM, what I have been saying about the failures in the last 35 years is simple. If the moral majority really believed that abortion was murder and acted on it and demanded action, then every Senator would be pro-life, every elected judge would be pro-life, every State Legislator would be pro-life...and they would be pro-life not just in the rhetorical sense, but in the governing sense. There was a window of opportunity when abortion was not common place and institutionalized, and it was during that window that the conservatives allowed themselves to be lullabied into a rhetorical stance on a very real and important issue.
I will not allow the rhetoric to work on me. It is unfair to the sould of those millions who have been murdered.
Stew - I don't want you to take this wrong - but as you are criticizing those pro-life candidates and public servants - please tell me exactly what YOU have done or are doing to stop abortion? I'm not being judgmental of you - but I'm just curious ...... Someone asked me this several years ago - it convicted me and I ask God to help me know what to do - Since that time, I have done something in my own way to support the the anti-abortion agenda. So........... if you think the Republican party should be more active to stop these abortions - exactly WHAT would you have us do?
I sincerely hope that you will re-think your position of possibly not voting in this election. People not voting is partly why America is in the shape that she is in - Godly people have not participated in politics for too long and have sat back and let the the ungodly rule. If we don't vote for those who offer at least some semblance of goodness (yes, sometimes we have to choose the lesser of two evils) - America will continue further down the path of destruction.
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Stew - I don't want you to take this wrong - but as you are criticizing those pro-life candidates and public servants - please tell me exactly what YOU have done or are doing to stop abortion? I'm not being judgmental of you - but I'm just curious ...... Someone asked me this several years ago - it convicted me and I ask God to help me know what to do - Since that time, I have done something in my own way to support the the anti-abortion agenda. So........... if you think the Republican party should be more active to stop these abortions - exactly WHAT would you have us do?
I sincerely hope that you will re-think your position of possibly not voting in this election. People not voting is partly why America is in the shape that she is in - Godly people have not participated in politics for too long and have sat back and let the the ungodly rule. If we don't vote for those who offer at least some semblance of goodness (yes, sometimes we have to choose the lesser of two evils) - America will continue further down the path of destruction.
With a name like Sweet Pea, how could I possibly take what you say wrong?
I have answered this question in the past. What I would do differently is not blindly give my vote until I had a firm committment to action and then something that I could hold politicians accountable to. Something that I could evaluate and revisit after their term.
My sphere of influence is relatively small, so all I can do to stop abortions is attempt to influence those in my sphere of influence. However, the Presidents, Senators, State Governments, Judges, and Justices have a considerablt larger sphere of influence. I would not settle for rhetoric from those people. If those people are pro-life then the landscape should be considerably different. There was a time in our country when abortion was not so rampant and demanding action would have been key to me.
To your point about godly people not participating and allowing the ungodly to rule...that has been my point accept that the ungodly ruled under a cloak of "godliness" so the godly supported them.
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There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Chuck Norris lives in Houston.
Either the United States will destroy ignorance, or ignorance will destroy the United States. – W.E.B. DuBois
With a name like Sweet Pea, how could I possibly take what you say wrong?
I have answered this question in the past. What I would do differently is not blindly give my vote until I had a firm committment to action and then something that I could hold politicians accountable to. Something that I could evaluate and revisit after their term.
My sphere of influence is relatively small, so all I can do to stop abortions is attempt to influence those in my sphere of influence. However, the Presidents, Senators, State Governments, Judges, and Justices have a considerablt larger sphere of influence. I would not settle for rhetoric from those people. If those people are pro-life then the landscape should be considerably different. There was a time in our country when abortion was not so rampant and demanding action would have been key to me.
To your point about godly people not participating and allowing the ungodly to rule...that has been my point accept that the ungodly ruled under a cloak of "godliness" so the godly supported them.
There are good and bad people in BOTH political parties! Sometimes we demonize good people because of their party affiliation.
That being said, we have to look at party platforms and decide which party is closer to our values. As ugly as it seems, the Republican party seems to be a closer match to my values.
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