UPC - "Apostolic" Wesleyan Holiness Standards

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Sam

That'll never work. You would have to trust folks to work out their own salvation. Where did you ever get an idea like that?

I meant to say preach "modesty", not preach modestly!
But to answer your question, I believe I read that in the NKJV, do you reckon??

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

So if Goss approved the wearing of jewels by the women in the movement, at which juncture along the way did jewelry become forbidden?

Howard Goss is not the father of the Oneness movement who cares what he thought????????? He was wrong about alot of stuff more important than jewelry. There were folks who wore jewelry and some didn't just like today.

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Howard Goss is not the father of the Oneness movement who cares what he thought????????? He was wrong about alot of stuff more important than jewelry. There were folks who wore jewelry and some didn't just like today.

What ministers and saints 50 or 60 years ago did or did not wear or adorn themselves with really has no dog in the hunt.

What does it matter if they did or did not. Either way does change one jot or tittle of what the word say's.

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

What ministers and saints 50 or 60 years ago did or did not wear or adorn themselves with really has no dog in the hunt.

What does it matter if they did or did not. Either way does change one jot or tittle of what the word say's.

Throw out all history. What does it matter........

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

Throw out all history. What does it matter........

That's not what I am saying Dave. I'm saying what our earlier founders did ior didnt do DOES NOT change the word.

As far as history goes, I feel it is imperitive to know some of the history (culture and customs) of the early church in Acts and of our Hebraic heritage and how they viewed things.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Howard Goss is not the father of the Oneness movement who cares what he thought????????? He was wrong about alot of stuff more important than jewelry. There were folks who wore jewelry and some didn't just like today.

Respectfully, Elder, Bro. Goss was a great pioneer of the Church to many people...someone I was taught about as making a noteworthy contribution.

I was raised 'PAJC' and no one spoke of his doctrinal belief...it was just a given that he taught and thought like we did.

So, for this reason and others, what he thought matters very much.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

Throw out all history. What does it matter........

David I certainly am not minimizing history but Pentecost history is diverse as you personally know. There were those who accepted jewelry to some extent and some who rejected any jewelry. I am not ignorant to the fact those with "holiness" roots from the Weslyan influence would be more in line with my thinking of what the Bible teacher than those who came from the Baptist roots such Goss and others. Both camps made up the early Oneness movement as well as Pentecost in general like AG & CG.

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

David I certainly am not minimizing history but Pentecost history is diverse as you personally know. There were those who accepted jewelry to some extent and some who rejected any jewelry. I am not ignorant to the fact those with "holiness" roots from the Weslyan influence would be more in line with my thinking of what the Bible teacher than those who came from the Baptist roots such Goss and others. Both camps made up the early Oneness movement as well as Pentecost in general like AG & CG.

My point is that history is important to help understand the times and climates that we live in. It affects us and to ignore it is very short-sided.

[AGAPE]

Hey Old Paths....help me out again
Saints
Carnal Minded
Sinners
Reprobates
did that get them all???

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

David I certainly am not minimizing history but Pentecost history is diverse as you personally know. There were those who accepted jewelry to some extent and some who rejected any jewelry. I am not ignorant to the fact those with "holiness" roots from the Weslyan influence would be more in line with my thinking of what the Bible teacher than those who came from the Baptist roots such Goss and others. Both camps made up the early Oneness movement as well as Pentecost in general like AG & CG.

I think that dismissing one of the pioneer leaders of the OA movement out of hand by saying "who cares what he thought" is not exactly kosher. And just because you don't agree with him doctrinally?

Please Bro. Epley .... I think it's irresponsible and a little disappointing as well.