Obama Addresses Racial "Anger"

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

As I go back and read this, I’m almost embarrassed to be Apostolic folks.

Here’s a thought that popped into my head. It may be crazy and I might regret mentioning it but here goes. LOL

Anyone here think the Jews were not entitled to reparations and a nation to return to? After all….that was their ancestor’s problem after 70 A.D. We didn’t scatter them to the four winds.

I think it's funny how we pick and choose which races are worthy of respect and which are not.

Chris, you have a problem. You can't separate comments from people as people. Instead, you lump them into a group. You are just as guilty of stereotypes as white supremacists are.

I have to wonder why you said you are almost embarrassed to be Apostolic instead of saying you are almost embarrassed to be white? Isn't that also a commonality in this thread? Why the categorization? Don't you know any other Apostolics?

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by COOPER

The whole thing that rips about this topic and thread is: IF Hillary's Pastor for 20 years said anything thing like this Black pastor; there would riots in the streets, Jessie Jackson , Al Sharpton and the NAACP all over the News demanding that the Hillary be pulled from the Presidential Race.

You hit that square.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by COOPER

The whole thing that rips about this topic and thread is: IF Hillary's Pastor for 20 years said anything thing like this Black pastor; there would riots in the streets, Jessie Jackson , Al Sharpton and the NAACP all over the News demanding that the Hillary be pulled from the Presidential Race.

You may be right. But until there is more dialogue and honest to goodness racial reconciliation, people like Sharpton and Jackson will be able to get away with doing stuff like that-- leaving you with a bitter experience too. This racial reconciliation stuff will bring healing to everyone, when everyone becomes a contributer to the healing.

[ChristopherHall]

I won't admit to IT

I won't apologize for IT

Because I have never in my life done IT.

I am not responsible for IT

IT is not part of my nature

IT is not part of who I am

IT is apparently deep rooted in your family or something because you have an insatiable desire to apologize for IT.

Have at IT.

I am moving past IT.

I’m going to translate what my brother is actually saying, though he doesn’t realize it and never even intend it:

I won't admit to IT

I won’t speak words admitting to my ancestor’s abuse of entire races of people.

I won't apologize for IT

I won’t express any sorrow for their actions.

Because I have never in my life done IT.

I won’t be concerned with any wrong that cannot be traced back to me personally.

I am not responsible for IT.

I am not responsible for speaking words of healing to the hurt my ancestors inflected.

IT is not part of my nature

I’m not racist, why should I even care about the pain and residual effect of 400 years of bondage on another human being?

IT is apparently deep rooted in your family or something because you have an insatiable desire to apologize for IT.

I don’t understand why you so adamantly believe our words can heal by expressing sorrows for our ancestor’s wrongs committed against others.

Have at IT.

It’s your job to try to heal the hurt. I’ll focus upon my own life and concerns.

I am moving past IT

I’m going to ignore that it happened, ignore how wrong it was, ignore any residual effect on the hearts minds and souls of these previously dehumanized people groups.

My brother didn’t say these things…BUT…he doesn’t realize that this is how he can be interpreted when he says what he does say.

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by Encryptus

America will not see Obama’s race as an elect-ability issue

America may not, but the liberal media has and will.

As a conservative, I could care less if a woman is elected president. In this case, it’s this particular woman I (and many other Americans) have a problem with. As a conservative, I could care less if a Black person is elected president. In this case, it’s this particular Black man I have a problem with.

But if the racial fires are stoked in the coming days and weeks, it will be the media, and liberal personalities, that stoke them.

Despite their best efforts to re-write history, the Democrat Party has the abysmal record regarding race in America, and I contend if our history were properly taught, few Blacks would want to have anything to do with Democrats.With that, Barack Obama should watch his back. Republicans see him as a political opponent. Democrats see Obama’s race first. Watch the election unfold. The farther Barack goes, the issue of race will be brought up and brought up often. It will be brought up by liberals and they will get yet another pass on their “intolerance.”

So what else is new…

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Excerpt from a column by Bob Parks a black conservative written back in Jan. Felt compelled to add the adjective (black) only because a certain poster would probably dismiss anything written by a white man on the topic. This article was written in Jan, and as it prophesied it appears to be the white liberals stoking the issue!!

Dude. This isn't a partisian thing. Both Republicans and Democrats have done black people wrong.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

Chris, you have a problem. You can't separate comments from people as people. Instead, you lump them into a group. You are just as guilty of stereotypes as white supremacists are.

I have to wonder why you said you are almost embarrassed to be Apostolic instead of saying you are almost embarrassed to be white? Isn't that also a commonality in this thread? Why the categorization? Don't you know any other Apostolics?

He knows at least one "other" Apostolic....

It has been my experience that many white Apostolics have a lot of racial ignorance to overcome-- but it could be where I have lived. For example, the white Apostolics in, say, Alabama, don't have nearly as much racial ignorance issues as the ones here in Baltimore, MD. Different population mix, different experiences. However, I have spent all of my adult life living in the South, when living in the States.

[ChristopherHall]

1399, are you black?

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by 1399

You may be right. But until there is more dialogue and honest to goodness racial reconciliation, people like Sharpton and Jackson will be able to get away with doing stuff like that-- leaving you with a bitter experience too. This racial reconciliation stuff will bring healing to everyone, when everyone becomes a contributer to the healing.

Agreed...

And this is just the type of tone that Obama set forth in his speech.

The type of things that engender healing are words that admit that there are problems on both sides, solutions to be found on both sides and things to be learned on both sides.

When people are approached in the "you're the evil white man who does all wrong and keeps everyone down who is all privileged and has all things and hates and despises all people of color" then that heals nothing. That only created division, resentment and even hatred.

The blame game ALWAYS ends in division and hatred.

The game we need now is one that stops and takes a look at where we are right NOW... and how WE ALL can fix it.

I tire of having to live my life as the evil white man... the harbinger of all things hateful.

The blame game is a tool of our common enemy... but too many amongst us know the tool all too well.

One thing is for sure... the ones being blamed in the blame game can try all they'd like but you will never crawl low enough to satisfy the blamers.

The only progress to be found is when we both stand up, shake hands, and move on together.

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

Chris, you have a problem. You can't separate comments from people as people. Instead, you lump them into a group. You are just as guilty of stereotypes as white supremacists are.

I have to wonder why you said you are almost embarrassed to be Apostolic instead of saying you are almost embarrassed to be white? Isn't that also a commonality in this thread? Why the categorization? Don't you know any other Apostolics?

I guess I should clarify. I'm just suprized that so many Apostolics still think like this.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

I’m going to translate what my brother is actually saying, though he doesn’t realize it and never even intend it:



I won’t speak words admitting to my ancestor’s abuse of entire races of people.



I won’t express any sorrow for their actions.



I won’t be concerned with any wrong that cannot be traced back to me personally.



I am not responsible for speaking words of healing to the hurt my ancestors inflected.



I’m not racist, why should I even care about the pain and residual effect of 400 years of bondage on another human being?



I don’t understand why you so adamantly believe our words can heal by expressing sorrows for our ancestor’s wrongs committed against others.



It’s your job to try to heal the hurt. I’ll focus upon my own life and concerns.



I’m going to ignore that it happened, ignore how wrong it was, ignore any residual effect on the hearts minds and souls of these previously dehumanized people groups.

My brother didn’t say these things…BUT…he doesn’t realize that this is how he can be interpreted when he says what he does say.

That my friend is very well how it would be interpreted by many folks, black and white alike.