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Originally Posted by Amanah
It is interesting that almost no one wants to discuss the pros/cons of living under mosaic law.
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Either everyone thinks Mosaic Law would be grand, or more likely that Esaias would out debate them on it. If we could clone Bro Esaias and put all of them in charge it might work.
I personally think that until the wicked are destroyed depraved men can not govern themselves justly.
The Israelites were not able to make mosaic law work, and I don't think there has every been a successful theonomic society, correct me if I am wrong.
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Again, the Bible nowhere promises that unregenerate man will or can govern himself with perfect righteousness. Thus, the very need for law and government (otherwise you'd have total criminal anarchy). So the question then is, "What kind of government shall we have, what Law will we follow? Law invented by corrupt men, or Law delivered by God Himself?" For we will have Law of one kind or the other, that is certain.
Let's suppose society went theonomic. This of course presupposes that at least a large portion of society was voluntarily seeking to live according to Biblical law. Would there be unjust men who get into positions of power? That is entirely possible.
Consider the church. The church is supposed to be governed by the Word, is it not? Can unjust men get into positions of authority in the church? Obviously, the answer is "Yes, it is possible". So then should we say that because of that, the church should just avoid the Bible as its charter, and let's allow men to just make up the rules as they see fit?
The church's role is, among other things, to inform people of the Will of God. Therefore, in a theonomic society, if rulers depart from the Word, violate the Word, or administer law unjustly, it is the church's job to loudly and effectually proclaim the Truth of God. Now, isn't that what we are supposed to be doing anyway?
So, would you prefer to live in a society whose law system is based on the Bible? Or whose law system is based on some antichrist philosophy?
People think a theonomy would mean the Presbyterians would be burning apostolics at the stake. And since nobody in America (presently) has lived with real genuine persecution, we think this "democracy" we have is what guarantees our freedom from persecution. But the only reason America was a haven against persecution was because America was majority Christian (professing Christian). The last several decades have seen a shift in that area. America is no longer a majority Christian nation. America is a thoroughly humanist nation. And what do we see? We see the beginnings of persecution. Christian bakers being drug through the legal system for refusing to promote perversion. And so forth. This is just the beginning. Yet our political system hasn't changed. the political system we have in place ALLOWS for such things.
If the US "supreme law of the land" was the Bible, that baker never would have got sued, gay marriage wouldn't ever be on the ballot, trannies wouldn't have any chance at getting the bathrooms all mixed up, there wouldn't be perv-ed education in your schools, there wouldn't be a prison industrial complex, and a lot of other things.
As it is, because we have a humanist society with a humanist law system, we will eventually have persecution. It's just a matter of time. And they will use "muh consteetooshun" to support it, you watch. They already use our political system to promote perversion, abortion, and silencing Christians in the public sphere. How is this better than theonomy?
"Oh, but under a theonomy, persecution is guaranteed." Really? EVERY INSTANCE OF PERSECUTION against Christians was committed under non theonomic societies. The Inquisition? The catholic church most explicitly denies "sola scriptura" and claims Church Magisterium as the supreme law. That is anything BUT theonomy.
The problem is, people have been taught that "politics is over here, and Jesus and going to heaven is over there", and "never the twain should mix." Now, who would come up with such an idea? Why, anyone who wanted to rule over men that's who. Because the Word of God brings freedom. Someone once said "It is impossible to enslave a Bible believing people."
There's a reason the enemies of all things good and decent want to make sure Christianity is marginalised. the very reason given for outlawing the Ten Commandments from public schools was "If they are posted and read, they might be believed. And if they are believed, they will be followed." In other words, the reason you have "separation of church and state" and no Ten Commandments and no (Christian) prayer in public schools is because the humanists are afraid people might start obeying God. That's what they are against, ultimately.
But as I said, none of this is even remotely feasible, until Christians start getting serious about preaching and teaching that God actually expects obedience. We've got to quit making "religion" some kind of private personal affair that only really matters on your deathbed, and get back to the reality - this Gospel is the Way, Truth, and LIFE.
Unfortunately, way too many have bought into a defeatist mentality that all we can do is pine away about how bad things are but hope to make the rapture. We need to jettison that heretical nonsense and understand, we are in the business of promoting the KINGDOM. A real, bona fide, KINGDOM. Not of this world system, it's not humanism, it's not vain human philosophy, it's Divinely Ordained and empowered by the Spirit of God.
If you look closely at the Book of Acts, and early church history, you'll find the apostolic church was literally a Holy Ghost subversion of corrupt society. There was no violent revolution needed, or force of arms, people were converted to Christ and began to follow Him, and as they spread they "turned the world upside down".
Let's get ready to turn the world upside down.
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