Uncut Hair and the Nazirite Vow for Women - Page 14

Esaias · #**131** 06-18-2018, 01:11 AM

the ESV:

1Co 11:6 For if a wife will not cover her head, then she should cut her hair short. But since it is disgraceful for a wife to cut off her hair or shave her head, let her cover her head.

Esaias · #**132** 06-18-2018, 01:17 AM

New International Version
For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head.

New Living Translation
Yes, if she refuses to wear a head covering, she should cut off all her hair! But since it is shameful for a woman to have her hair cut or her head shaved, she should wear a covering.

English Standard Version
For if a wife will not cover her head, then she should cut her hair short. But since it is disgraceful for a wife to cut off her hair or shave her head, let her cover her head.

Berean Study Bible
If a woman does not cover her head, let her hair be cut off. And if it is shameful for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head.

Berean Literal Bible
For if a woman does not cover her head, also let her be shorn. And if it is disgraceful to a woman to be shorn or to be shaven, let her cover her head.

New American Standard Bible
For if a woman does not cover her head, let her also have her hair cut off; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, let her cover her head.

King James Bible
For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

Christian Standard Bible
For if a woman doesn't cover her head, she should have her hair cut off. But if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, let her head be covered.

Contemporary English Version
A woman should wear something on her head. It is a disgrace for a woman to shave her head or cut her hair. But if she refuses to wear something on her head, let her cut off her hair.

Good News Translation
If the woman does not cover her head, she might as well cut her hair. And since it is a shameful thing for a woman to shave her head or cut her hair, she should cover her head.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
So if a woman's head is not covered, her hair should be cut off. But if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, she should be covered.

International Standard Version
So if a woman does not cover her head, she should cut off her hair. If it is a disgrace for a woman to cut off her hair or shave her head, let her cover her own head.

NET Bible
For if a woman will not cover her head, she should cut off her hair. But if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, she should cover her head.

New Heart English Bible
For if a woman is not covered, let her also be shorn. But if it is shameful for a woman to be shorn or shaved, let her be covered.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
For if a woman is not covered, she should also be sheared, but if it is a disgrace for a woman to be sheared or shaven, let her be covered.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
So if a woman doesn't cover her head, she should cut off her hair. If it's a disgrace for a woman to cut off her hair or shave her head, she should cover her head.

New American Standard 1977
For if a woman does not cover her head, let her also have her hair cut off; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, let her cover her head.

Jubilee Bible 2000
For if the woman is not covered, let her also be shorn; but if it is a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

King James 2000 Bible
For if the woman is not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it is a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

American King James Version
For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

American Standard Version
For if a woman is not veiled, let her also be shorn: but if it is a shame to a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be veiled.

Douay-Rheims Bible
For if a woman be not covered, let her be shorn. But if it be a shame to a woman to be shorn or made bald, let her cover her head.

Darby Bible Translation
For if a woman be not covered, let her hair also be cut off. But if [it be] shameful to a woman to have her hair cut off or to be shaved, let her be covered.

English Revised Version
For if a woman is not veiled, let her also be shorn: but if it is a shame to a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be veiled.

Webster's Bible Translation
For if the woman is not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it is a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaved, let her be covered.

Weymouth New Testament
If a woman will not wear a veil, let her also cut off her hair. But since it is a dishonor to a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, let her wear a veil.

World English Bible
For if a woman is not covered, let her also be shorn. But if it is shameful for a woman to be shorn or shaved, let her be covered.

Young's Literal Translation
for if a woman is not covered -- then let her be shorn, and if it is a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven -- let her be covered;

1ofthechosen · #**133** 06-18-2018, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Coverdale's translation:

1Co 11:6 Yf the woma be not couered, let hir heer also be cut of. But yf it be vncomely for a woman to haue hir heer cut of or to be shauen, then let hir couer hir heade.

"Let her hair ALSO be cut off..."

Reina-Valera 1909:

1Co 11:6 Porque si la mujer no se cubre, trasquílese también: y si es deshonesto á la mujer trasquilarse ó raerse, cúbrase.

Did you pull out the spanish version what is that. Her hair is given her instead of a covering. For her hair is her glory. I'm not saying they didn't have coverings, but they also had long uncut hair. To cut it was to be shorn like a sheep which is the same as shaving it. He was letting them know. Have you ever watched a sheep be sheered? They have to forcefully do it. But the sheep doesn't want to be sheered, they take it by force. So Paul is using the term in a derogatory manner comparing it to creation, and comparing any cutting to the woman's glory as being sheered, and that is the same as to be shaven. Its disgraceful, you should guard your glory, is what he's saying.

I'll go with the covering but he no doubt was saying don't cut your hair also. But what does verse 15 say the covering is? "But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering."
"For" is a bad rendering because it means anti which we know means "instead of, in place of (something)" the something in this case is the "peribolaion" meaning "a covering thrown around, a wrapper, a mantle, a veil"

It couldve been customary for them to wear a veil but thats not what's being discussed here. This is clearly about hair. Verse 15 gives the conclusion and the context, I mean it says its shameful. So to have cut hair is shameful when its her glory. What's the purpose of the creation reference otherwise Eve didn't have a covering bro, only until after the fall maybe. But we should conclude to cut a womans hair is to disregard her glory point blank period. End of story to advise someone otherwise is to just give your opinion. And if your ok with it, I am too but sounds like a dangerous thing to do if your wrong.

Esaias · #**134** 06-18-2018, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

Did you pull out the spanish version what is that. Her hair is given her instead of a covering. For her hair is her glory. I'm not saying they didn't have coverings, but they also had long uncut hair. To cut it was to be shorn like a sheep which is the same as shaving it. He was letting them know. Have you ever watched a sheep be sheered? They have to forcefully do it. But the sheep doesn't want to be sheered, they take it by force. So Paul is using the term in a derogatory manner comparing it to creation, and comparing any cutting to the woman's glory as being sheered, and that is the same as to be shaven. Its disgraceful, you should guard your glory, is what he's saying.

I'll go with the covering but he no doubt was saying don't cut your hair also.

He was saying if the woman will not be covered, then let her ALSO ("in addition") have her hair cut off. This means that, according to the apostle, if a woman will not have her head covered, then she ought to ALSO cut off her hair. Which proves the hair itself is not the covering he is speaking of in the first part of the chapter.

"Her hair is given her for a covering" does not mean that "her hair is given her for a covering so that she doesn't have to wear a head covering." IF her hair is the covering Paul is commanding, then he is speaking nonsense: "If the woman cuts her hair off, then let her ALSO cut her hair off"????? Makes no sense.

Paul's point is not that the woman ought to have long hair (although he acknowledges that she ought to), but rather that she ought to be covered when praying or prophesying. And that is she refuses to cover her head, she might as well just cut her hair. If she wants to act like a man in the assembly, she might as well go all the way and wear her hair like a man, too. but of course, that would be shameful. Therefore, LET HER BE COVERED.

Esaias · #**135** 06-18-2018, 01:54 AM

Nature teaches a woman to be covered. It does this by the fact that, according to nature, having long hair is a glory to her. It is given her as a covering. This is a natural covering. Not a head covering, but a peribolaion, a shawl or mantle, a "wrap around". And Paul uses this lesson from nature as a support to his argument for the head covering. He is saying "Look, you women have long hair, it's proper and beautiful, it's a natural mantle or shawl, so therefore you need to COVER THE HEAD WHEN PRAYING. Because, if you pray uncovered, it's AS IF you had been shorn like a sheep. You don't want to cover your head? Fine then, cut off your hair, too. Oh, that would be unseemly? Then cover your head."

Esaias · #**136** 06-18-2018, 01:55 AM

Robertson's Word Pictures:

1 Corinthians 11:15

Have long hair (komāi). Present active subjunctive of komaō (from komē, hair), old verb, same contraction (̇aēîāi) as the indicative (aei ̂ āi), but subjunctive here with ean in third class condition. Long hair is a glory to a woman and a disgrace to a man (as we still feel). The long-haired man! There is a papyrus example of a priest accused of letting his hair grow long and of wearing woollen garments.
For a covering (anti peribolaiou). Old word from periballō to fling around, as a mantle (Heb_1:12) or a covering or veil as here. It is not in the place of a veil, but answering to (anti, in the sense of anti in Joh_1:16), as a permanent endowment (dedotai, perfect passive indicative).

Esaias · #**137** 06-18-2018, 01:55 AM

JFB:

1 Corinthians 11:15

her hair ... for a covering — Not that she does not need additional covering. Nay, her long hair shows she ought to cover her head as much as possible. The will ought to accord with nature [Bengel].

1ofthechosen · #**138** 06-18-2018, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

He was saying if the woman will not be covered, then let her ALSO ("in addition") have her hair cut off. This means that, according to the apostle, if a woman will not have her head covered, then she ought to ALSO cut off her hair. Which proves the hair itself is not the covering he is speaking of in the first part of the chapter
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Your totally disregarding verse 15 that translates it all though it says instead of in place of a peribolaion.

1ofthechosen · #**139** 06-18-2018, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Nature teaches a woman to be covered. It does this by the fact that, according to nature, having long hair is a glory to her. It is given her as a covering. This is a natural covering. Not a head covering, but a peribolaion, a shawl or mantle, a "wrap around". And Paul uses this lesson from nature as a support to his argument for the head covering. He is saying "Look, you women have long hair, it's proper and beautiful, it's a natural mantle or shawl, so therefore you need to COVER THE HEAD WHEN PRAYING. Because, if you pray uncovered, it's AS IF you had been shorn like a sheep. You don't want to cover your head? Fine then, cut off your hair, too. Oh, that would be unseemly? Then cover your head."

One question at Creation did Eve have a peribolaion? Because the text shot us back here not me.

1ofthechosen · #**140** 06-18-2018, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

JFB:

1 Corinthians 11:15

her hair ... for a covering — Not that she does not need additional covering. Nay, her long hair shows she ought to cover her head as much as possible. The will ought to accord with nature [Bengel].

Look I will agree to a woman should cover her hair. Bur do you at least believe a woman shouldn't cut her hair? Because the text is plain on that.