How Many "3 Steppers" Do We Have On Aff???

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Felicity

But is regeneration/being born again a process?

Of course.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Not talking about the salvation process per se Mizpeh.

I'm talking about "spiritual birth" i.e. when you're born again, when you pass from death to life, when you become a "new" creation, when you're transformed spiritually, when old things pass away and all things become new, when a mind and heart that is dead is brought to life and spiritually aware..

Clarified as such, no, spiritual birth is the instantaneous work of Christ.

[Adino]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Even though most want to have a rep of being "strong on the doctrine" there is an existing and growing movement to not judge others (into damnation) who have not experienced what we have.

Though this mindset does raise new questions regarding their views on "full salvation" and "light doctrine" I do see the growing tolerance as a good thing - however justification is made. (pun intended)

If this is true, then would you say a circle is being made by many back to an initial attitude of 'accommodation of others' similar to that of the early promoters of the water/spirit position?

We know the "doctrinal theories of accommodation" were first developed to defend the newly revealed water/spirit position by giving explanation for a perceived change in the plan of salvation "as....now revealed to many of the children of God in these closing days of the Gospel dispensation" (Haywood). Wouldn't you agree that an objective return to these issues concerning "full/partial salvation" and/or "progressive light" theories really calls the whole water/spirit position (however accommodating the modern advocates are) into question again?

Revisiting those doctrines developed to defend the existence of the water/spirit position could lead to a realization that those who stood opposed to the new view were the ones truly justified in their concerns.

Is this an indication that some are on the road to abandoning the water/spirit position by returning full circle to the original view of justification held by those initial 20th century promoters of the new water/spirit doctrine before their new revelations came?

I also see the "growing tolerance" as a good thing.

[Adino]

Originally Posted by Felicity

But is regeneration/being born again a process?

Helloooooo..... Just for the fun of it I would ask:

Is the heart's conversion to faith in Christ a process?

We know there is a time of consideration of the Gospel once heard, but if you agree there is a moment the heart passes from unbelief to belief then I would suggest this is the moment the heart passes from spiritual death to spiritual life. The moment the heart is quickened to spiritual life is the moment of regeneration. The living heart of faith is evidence of the indwelling Spirit of life and of the new birth.

He that believes: “hath everlasting life” (John 3:15-16, 36; 6:40,47; 11:26), “is passed from death unto life” (John 5:24; 11:25), “dwelleth in God, and God in him” (1John 3:23-24), “is born of God” (1John 5:1; John 1:12-13).

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Adino

Helloooooo..... Just for the fun of it I would ask:

Is the heart's conversion to faith in Christ a process?

We know there is a time of consideration of the Gospel once heard, but if you agree there is a moment the heart passes from unbelief to belief then I would suggest this is the moment the heart passes from spiritual death to spiritual life. The moment the heart is quickened to spiritual life is the moment of regeneration. The living heart of faith is evidence of the indwelling Spirit of life and of the new birth.

He that believes: “hath everlasting life” (John 3:15-16, 36; 6:40,47; 11:26), “is passed from death unto life” (John 5:24; 11:25), “dwelleth in God, and God in him” (1John 3:23-24), “is born of God” (1John 5:1; John 1:12-13).

Again is this BEFORE and APART from repentance?????????????????????????
Good to see you post although you are nearly always wrong.
Studious but wrong.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Clarified as such, no, spiritual birth is the instantaneous work of Christ.

an instantaneous work of Christ?

How can that be?

If repentance, water baptism in Jesus' Name, and the HGB (speaking with tongues) are all steps/parts of the new birth,
then we have some people going through the water baptism birth and the Spirit baptism birth at separate times and places. Spirit baptism birth may happen in one geographical area and water baptism birth (baptismal regeneration) may happen in another geographical location. And these experiences can not only be miles (even separate countries) apart but can be years apart in timing. And, for those who only experience the Spirit baptism birth or only the water baptism birth, are they half way regenerated, half way saved, or totally lost?

[Sam]

"If you believe that Jesus is the Christ --that he is God's Son and your Savior-- then you are a child of God. And all who love the Father love his children too." 1 John 5:1 TLB

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Sam

an instantaneous work of Christ?

How can that be?

If repentance, water baptism in Jesus' Name, and the HGB (speaking with tongues) are all steps/parts of the new birth,
then we have some people going through the water baptism birth and the Spirit baptism birth at separate times and places. Spirit baptism birth may happen in one geographical area and water baptism birth (baptismal regeneration) may happen in another geographical location. And these experiences can not only be miles (even separate countries) apart but can be years apart in timing. And, for those who only experience the Spirit baptism birth or only the water baptism birth, are they half way regenerated, half way saved, or totally lost?

It is the work of Christ instantaneously in the individual by grace thru faith alone. Everything else comes as result of what Jesus has already done. Though I believe everyone will eventually enter into reconciliation with God, the path is thru faith in what Jesus did on the cross.

[Adino]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Again is this BEFORE and APART from repentance?????????????????????????
Good to see you post although you are nearly always wrong.
Studious but wrong.

LOL... hey, Steve, good to see you.

I'll tell you once again, since I know that southern water might be messing with your memory.... faith takes place in repentance.

It is the heart returning to God (repenting) which takes the path of faith in Christ. Repent and convert (believe) that your sins may be blotted out (Acts 3:19). The New Testament message was one of repentance and faith (Acts 20:21; Hebrews 6:1; Mark 1:15).

The message isn't only that we are depraved and should return to God humble and remorse. It is that we who are humble and remorse should return to God through Christ. The repenting heart can only fully return to God upon hearing the Gospel and trusting in Christ.

God revives the heart of those who have a humble and contrite spirit.

Isaiah 57:15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

God revives the heart of the humble and contrite ones (i.e., of the repenting ones) by his word. The repentant heart is born again of the word/Gospel (1Peter1:23). When the Gospel is presented to a humbled and contrite heart it will be quickened to faith thus completing the return to God.

The contrite heart is revived.... it is made alive.... it is born again of the word.

Faith comes by hearing the word (Romans 10:17). The repenting heart that believes in the Gospel is passed from death unto life and is born of God (John 5:24; 11:25; 1John 5:1; John 1:12-13; 1Peter 1:23).

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Adino

LOL... hey, Steve, good to see you.

I'll tell you once again, since I know that southern water might be messing with your memory.... faith takes place in repentance.

It is the heart returning to God (repenting) which takes the path of faith in Christ. Repent and convert (believe) that your sins may be blotted out (Acts 3:19). The New Testament message was one of repentance and faith (Acts 20:21; Hebrews 6:1; Mark 1:15).

The message isn't only that we are depraved and should return to God humble and remorse. It is that we who are humble and remorse should return to God through Christ. The repenting heart can only fully return to God upon hearing the Gospel and trusting in Christ.

God revives the heart of those who have a humble and contrite spirit.

Isaiah 57:15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

God revives the heart of the humble and contrite ones (i.e., of the repenting ones) by his word. The repentant heart is born again of the word/Gospel (1Peter1:23). When the Gospel is presented to a humbled and contrite heart it will be quickened to faith thus completing the return to God.
The contrite heart is revived.... it is made alive.... it is born again of the word.

Faith comes by hearing the word (Romans 10:17). The repenting heart that believes in the Gospel is passed from death unto life and is born of God (John 5:24; 11:25; 1John 5:1; John 1:12-13; 1Peter 1:23).

Well said, Adino!!